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Armstead

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70. The assumption that thewhite progressives there have bad faith bothers me

Tue Aug 11, 2015, 09:44 AM

Aug 2015

Saying that the progressive community is oblivious is misplaced anger IMO. Misinformed and simplistic.

It a city struggling with an amped up version of gentrification due to economic forces that are putting the screws to people of all races, and most income levels (except those in the financially fortunate bubble).

The awful progressives are also in a city that raised its minimum wage far higher (and sooner) than most places. At least efforts are being made to deal with this stuff.

To be honest, I also suspect- many of those at the rally also feel powerlessness and anger. They may not have the direct experience of racism, and perhaps need a wake-up call to educate them about the true implications and systemic causes of racism.

But it is misinformed to attack them as all being apathetic limousine liberals and clueless "white supremacists" and attack them for forces that are also beyond their control.

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Did you know you can support Sanders and BLM at the same time? [View all] joshcryer Aug 2015 OP

Not here. nt onehandle Aug 2015 #1

Yeah nice try ibegurpard Aug 2015 #2

I support both! gollygee Aug 2015 #3

BLM doesn't want white support. HooptieWagon Aug 2015 #4

Wrong. joshcryer Aug 2015 #6

+1 gollygee Aug 2015 #9

+10 Stellar Aug 2015 #40

this Kali Aug 2015 #55

Aren't *you* white? nt Romulox Aug 2015 #57

I'm not the one saying "black lives matter, but..." joshcryer Aug 2015 #76

Right. But you ARE speaking for People of Color. And you are not a Person of Color. Romulox Aug 2015 #94

I'm clearly speaking for myself... joshcryer Aug 2015 #105

isn't sanders press sec part of blm JI7 Aug 2015 #7

I believe she's a supporter, not a member. HooptieWagon Aug 2015 #12

Are you talking about the press secretary he hired only a day ago? George II Aug 2015 #37

here comes the diminishment squad...... virtualobserver Aug 2015 #63

You know how the game is played whatchamacallit Aug 2015 #71

Yes after 3 weeks of vetting. artislife Aug 2015 #72

Five months into his campaign and he finally decides to hire a press secretary. Hmmm. George II Aug 2015 #73

And how much later will it take Hillary to make a similar move? cascadiance Aug 2015 #80

Clinton must know it must happen before her next rally. joshcryer Aug 2015 #85

Check her campaign website George II Aug 2015 #103

I believe she's had a spokesperson since the beginning of her campaign.... George II Aug 2015 #102

And this staff has had how many public forums where she has spoken to the masses... cascadiance Aug 2015 #104

You should find something useful to do with your time. Comrade Grumpy Aug 2015 #98

You're delusional if you believe someone at the level of National Press Secretary... WorseBeforeBetter Aug 2015 #119

Some folks do not get it...it is not a matter of "support", it is a matter of education for some Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #64

Where do you get that from? David__77 Aug 2015 #77

From their own mouths. HooptieWagon Aug 2015 #96

I know it's not your job to do so. David__77 Aug 2015 #99

I think you are one of the people I wrote this for nadinbrzezinski Aug 2015 #108

Very well said. RiverLover Aug 2015 #5

+1 daleanime Aug 2015 #8

No thanks, I dont care for their tactics. CentralMass Aug 2015 #10

If you read my post you'd know I'm against the strategy. joshcryer Aug 2015 #13

I recogonize the issue and support the cause, but not the group BLM who has hijacked it CentralMass Aug 2015 #21

BLM founders have denounced zero... joshcryer Aug 2015 #35

I completely agree. SonderWoman Aug 2015 #11

Behaving like jackasses to a large audience.... HooptieWagon Aug 2015 #14

Listen to the interview. SonderWoman Aug 2015 #15

I watched until she shoved Sanders. That's assault. HooptieWagon Aug 2015 #16

If you don't care then why should they support Bernie? SonderWoman Aug 2015 #18

They can support whomever they want. HooptieWagon Aug 2015 #32

On what do you base your assessment that "radicals" don't have a plurality of Black support? David__77 Aug 2015 #78

This. nt msanthrope Aug 2015 #87

My reason is stated in the post, had you read it. HooptieWagon Aug 2015 #97

I understand. David__77 Aug 2015 #100

Please provide proof for this assertion. TM99 Aug 2015 #26

Yes. They eff'd up, now they're lying to justify it. HooptieWagon Aug 2015 #34

Listening to the audio was horrifying. NCTraveler Aug 2015 #107

This bears repeating gollygee Aug 2015 #20

So we voted for President Obama because he promised hope and change. Was that not help? jwirr Aug 2015 #106

Find what are the conditions in your town and join in the efforts to change it nadinbrzezinski Aug 2015 #110

Our community went through this long ago and we dealt with it. We have the white community and jwirr Aug 2015 #111

Glad to hear it nadinbrzezinski Aug 2015 #112

I know I have been trying to explain how economic justice did help our community. The casinos jwirr Aug 2015 #113

Currently we are having a fight over a casino nadinbrzezinski Aug 2015 #114

One important thing about the casino - we run our own we do not let someone else make the jwirr Aug 2015 #115

Which is the second problem nadinbrzezinski Aug 2015 #116

Doesn't sound good to me. I do hope it works for them. jwirr Aug 2015 #117

Me too nadinbrzezinski Aug 2015 #118

I really admire what the Mdewakanton Sioux are doing with Mystic Lake Mnpaul Aug 2015 #122

Yes, I see it as finally becoming a real part of the communities and that is good for both white and jwirr Aug 2015 #123

I would point you in this direction gollygee Aug 2015 #120

Believe it or not I know that. I am not in an area that has any marches. Although I think what the jwirr Aug 2015 #124

I think protesting is concrete gollygee Aug 2015 #125

The assumption that thewhite progressives there have bad faith bothers me Armstead Aug 2015 #70

Stop making sense... tk2kewl Aug 2015 #17

Yeah, well, I'm just a lilly white middle aged fat guy hootinholler Aug 2015 #19

Yeah, that's projection. joshcryer Aug 2015 #23

Hillary's secret service detail will make sure no one get near her like they did Bernie. nt Stellar Aug 2015 #44

Bullshit. jeff47 Aug 2015 #65

There are zero Clinton rally's scheduled Jeff. joshcryer Aug 2015 #75

There are fundraisers scheduled. It doesn't have to be a rally. jeff47 Aug 2015 #79

You want cameras and controversy. joshcryer Aug 2015 #81

Oh, you can and do say lots on DU. And it all shows exactly how you feel about black activists. KittyWampus Aug 2015 #41

Bernie Sanders has heard and responded to their voice! Ed Suspicious Aug 2015 #22

Sanders' platform was well into the making. joshcryer Aug 2015 #25

Oh, I know. Many others struggle to deny that for purely partisan purposes. Ed Suspicious Aug 2015 #27

And they're idiots. joshcryer Aug 2015 #29

I support the causes they support. I don't support them and so long as they allow themselves to be betterdemsonly Aug 2015 #24

And will until I drop JackInGreen Aug 2015 #28

Shit internet identity politics. joshcryer Aug 2015 #30

are you disagreeing JackInGreen Aug 2015 #31

Sorry, check my edit. joshcryer Aug 2015 #33

No worries JackInGreen Aug 2015 #36

Blasphemy! We get ONE ISSUE at a time! Cosmic Kitten Aug 2015 #38

Clinton is not "hiding"! Where have you been? Once again having to dishonestly attack another to bolster your own horse...it is gratuitous. Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #39

No... JackInGreen Aug 2015 #45

And this kind of "logic" is exactly the same as Republicans once used to attack Candidate Obama. Complete nothings. Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #47

You assume objective fact as an attack. joshcryer Aug 2015 #49

Facts do tend JackInGreen Aug 2015 #61

Ummm when was her last public rally? Cosmic Kitten Aug 2015 #46

BS post her public rally schedule. joshcryer Aug 2015 #48

On August 10, 2015? Why? 450 days to Election Day! And everyone gets to do their own schedule, Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #50

Link please. joshcryer Aug 2015 #51

What were the details on that event? Cosmic Kitten Aug 2015 #54

Logic is lacking..... like I said. Judging merit by number of debates or number of "rallies"... I rest my case. Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #62

You can also support BLM ibegurpard Aug 2015 #42

Absolutely yes. I support both. marble falls Aug 2015 #43

+1 This infighting on DU makes me very sad. Live and Learn Aug 2015 #52

The lines that were drawn in the past two days... joshcryer Aug 2015 #53

I agree with your summation Ichingcarpenter Aug 2015 #56

Right on. blackspade Aug 2015 #58

Did you know you can support BLM's cause and oppose BLM's tactics at the same time? jeff47 Aug 2015 #59

No. joshcryer Aug 2015 #82

Reminds me of the old days when the clean air and clean water people used to duke it out..... Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2015 #60

I feel the same Kali Aug 2015 #66

The "switchers" are beyond pathetic. joshcryer Aug 2015 #84

I do. I have marched against recent deaths of Black youth at hands of the authorities. mmonk Aug 2015 #67

BLM wants to be heard. We Sanders supporters are listening and agreeing with it. JDPriestly Aug 2015 #68

"whether it is BLM or the KKK ... or anti-abortion" joshcryer Aug 2015 #83

I like your OP a lot, but the dismissive "he wasn't doing enough apparently" makes me angry. Vattel Aug 2015 #91

Sorry, that was tongue in cheek. joshcryer Aug 2015 #92

Thanks. Vattel Aug 2015 #93

Well put Josh davidpdx Aug 2015 #69

K&R nt 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #74

Well reasoned and true. DU should self-eliminate those who force a choice. msanthrope Aug 2015 #86

That second paragraph in my PM evolved. joshcryer Aug 2015 #88

I think so too but apparently BLM thinks I'm a white supremacist liberal. aikoaiko Aug 2015 #89

Nope. joshcryer Aug 2015 #90

josh, this post is ridiculous. You are not a Person of Color, and don't speak for them. nt Romulox Aug 2015 #95

BLM doesn't want my support. I will just be indifferent to them. nt m-lekktor Aug 2015 #101

I think I also wrote this for you nadinbrzezinski Aug 2015 #109

And I do. kenfrequed Aug 2015 #121

I'll continue to work for racial justice despite my problems with some of BLM's tactics. Comrade Grumpy Aug 2015 #126