2016 Postmortem

msanthrope

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86. Well reasoned and true. DU should self-eliminate those who force a choice.

Wed Aug 12, 2015, 05:54 AM

Aug 2015

I know I owe you a very long PM back in response to your wonderful pm to me. At some point things will calm down and I'll be able to reflect upon it. Thank you Josh

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Did you know you can support Sanders and BLM at the same time? [View all] joshcryer Aug 2015 OP

Not here. nt onehandle Aug 2015 #1

Yeah nice try ibegurpard Aug 2015 #2

I support both! gollygee Aug 2015 #3

BLM doesn't want white support. HooptieWagon Aug 2015 #4

Wrong. joshcryer Aug 2015 #6

+1 gollygee Aug 2015 #9

+10 Stellar Aug 2015 #40

this Kali Aug 2015 #55

Aren't *you* white? nt Romulox Aug 2015 #57

I'm not the one saying "black lives matter, but..." joshcryer Aug 2015 #76

Right. But you ARE speaking for People of Color. And you are not a Person of Color. Romulox Aug 2015 #94

I'm clearly speaking for myself... joshcryer Aug 2015 #105

isn't sanders press sec part of blm JI7 Aug 2015 #7

I believe she's a supporter, not a member. HooptieWagon Aug 2015 #12

Are you talking about the press secretary he hired only a day ago? George II Aug 2015 #37

here comes the diminishment squad...... virtualobserver Aug 2015 #63

You know how the game is played whatchamacallit Aug 2015 #71

Yes after 3 weeks of vetting. artislife Aug 2015 #72

Five months into his campaign and he finally decides to hire a press secretary. Hmmm. George II Aug 2015 #73

And how much later will it take Hillary to make a similar move? cascadiance Aug 2015 #80

Clinton must know it must happen before her next rally. joshcryer Aug 2015 #85

Check her campaign website George II Aug 2015 #103

I believe she's had a spokesperson since the beginning of her campaign.... George II Aug 2015 #102

And this staff has had how many public forums where she has spoken to the masses... cascadiance Aug 2015 #104

You should find something useful to do with your time. Comrade Grumpy Aug 2015 #98

You're delusional if you believe someone at the level of National Press Secretary... WorseBeforeBetter Aug 2015 #119

Some folks do not get it...it is not a matter of "support", it is a matter of education for some Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #64

Where do you get that from? David__77 Aug 2015 #77

From their own mouths. HooptieWagon Aug 2015 #96

I know it's not your job to do so. David__77 Aug 2015 #99

I think you are one of the people I wrote this for nadinbrzezinski Aug 2015 #108

Very well said. RiverLover Aug 2015 #5

+1 daleanime Aug 2015 #8

No thanks, I dont care for their tactics. CentralMass Aug 2015 #10

If you read my post you'd know I'm against the strategy. joshcryer Aug 2015 #13

I recogonize the issue and support the cause, but not the group BLM who has hijacked it CentralMass Aug 2015 #21

BLM founders have denounced zero... joshcryer Aug 2015 #35

I completely agree. SonderWoman Aug 2015 #11

Behaving like jackasses to a large audience.... HooptieWagon Aug 2015 #14

Listen to the interview. SonderWoman Aug 2015 #15

I watched until she shoved Sanders. That's assault. HooptieWagon Aug 2015 #16

If you don't care then why should they support Bernie? SonderWoman Aug 2015 #18

They can support whomever they want. HooptieWagon Aug 2015 #32

On what do you base your assessment that "radicals" don't have a plurality of Black support? David__77 Aug 2015 #78

This. nt msanthrope Aug 2015 #87

My reason is stated in the post, had you read it. HooptieWagon Aug 2015 #97

I understand. David__77 Aug 2015 #100

Please provide proof for this assertion. TM99 Aug 2015 #26

Yes. They eff'd up, now they're lying to justify it. HooptieWagon Aug 2015 #34

Listening to the audio was horrifying. NCTraveler Aug 2015 #107

This bears repeating gollygee Aug 2015 #20

So we voted for President Obama because he promised hope and change. Was that not help? jwirr Aug 2015 #106

Find what are the conditions in your town and join in the efforts to change it nadinbrzezinski Aug 2015 #110

Our community went through this long ago and we dealt with it. We have the white community and jwirr Aug 2015 #111

Glad to hear it nadinbrzezinski Aug 2015 #112

I know I have been trying to explain how economic justice did help our community. The casinos jwirr Aug 2015 #113

Currently we are having a fight over a casino nadinbrzezinski Aug 2015 #114

One important thing about the casino - we run our own we do not let someone else make the jwirr Aug 2015 #115

Which is the second problem nadinbrzezinski Aug 2015 #116

Doesn't sound good to me. I do hope it works for them. jwirr Aug 2015 #117

Me too nadinbrzezinski Aug 2015 #118

I really admire what the Mdewakanton Sioux are doing with Mystic Lake Mnpaul Aug 2015 #122

Yes, I see it as finally becoming a real part of the communities and that is good for both white and jwirr Aug 2015 #123

I would point you in this direction gollygee Aug 2015 #120

Believe it or not I know that. I am not in an area that has any marches. Although I think what the jwirr Aug 2015 #124

I think protesting is concrete gollygee Aug 2015 #125

The assumption that thewhite progressives there have bad faith bothers me Armstead Aug 2015 #70

Stop making sense... tk2kewl Aug 2015 #17

Yeah, well, I'm just a lilly white middle aged fat guy hootinholler Aug 2015 #19

Yeah, that's projection. joshcryer Aug 2015 #23

Hillary's secret service detail will make sure no one get near her like they did Bernie. nt Stellar Aug 2015 #44

Bullshit. jeff47 Aug 2015 #65

There are zero Clinton rally's scheduled Jeff. joshcryer Aug 2015 #75

There are fundraisers scheduled. It doesn't have to be a rally. jeff47 Aug 2015 #79

You want cameras and controversy. joshcryer Aug 2015 #81

Oh, you can and do say lots on DU. And it all shows exactly how you feel about black activists. KittyWampus Aug 2015 #41

Bernie Sanders has heard and responded to their voice! Ed Suspicious Aug 2015 #22

Sanders' platform was well into the making. joshcryer Aug 2015 #25

Oh, I know. Many others struggle to deny that for purely partisan purposes. Ed Suspicious Aug 2015 #27

And they're idiots. joshcryer Aug 2015 #29

I support the causes they support. I don't support them and so long as they allow themselves to be betterdemsonly Aug 2015 #24

And will until I drop JackInGreen Aug 2015 #28

Shit internet identity politics. joshcryer Aug 2015 #30

are you disagreeing JackInGreen Aug 2015 #31

Sorry, check my edit. joshcryer Aug 2015 #33

No worries JackInGreen Aug 2015 #36

Blasphemy! We get ONE ISSUE at a time! Cosmic Kitten Aug 2015 #38

Clinton is not "hiding"! Where have you been? Once again having to dishonestly attack another to bolster your own horse...it is gratuitous. Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #39

No... JackInGreen Aug 2015 #45

And this kind of "logic" is exactly the same as Republicans once used to attack Candidate Obama. Complete nothings. Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #47

You assume objective fact as an attack. joshcryer Aug 2015 #49

Facts do tend JackInGreen Aug 2015 #61

Ummm when was her last public rally? Cosmic Kitten Aug 2015 #46

BS post her public rally schedule. joshcryer Aug 2015 #48

On August 10, 2015? Why? 450 days to Election Day! And everyone gets to do their own schedule, Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #50

Link please. joshcryer Aug 2015 #51

What were the details on that event? Cosmic Kitten Aug 2015 #54

Logic is lacking..... like I said. Judging merit by number of debates or number of "rallies"... I rest my case. Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #62

You can also support BLM ibegurpard Aug 2015 #42

Absolutely yes. I support both. marble falls Aug 2015 #43

+1 This infighting on DU makes me very sad. Live and Learn Aug 2015 #52

The lines that were drawn in the past two days... joshcryer Aug 2015 #53

I agree with your summation Ichingcarpenter Aug 2015 #56

Right on. blackspade Aug 2015 #58

Did you know you can support BLM's cause and oppose BLM's tactics at the same time? jeff47 Aug 2015 #59

No. joshcryer Aug 2015 #82

Reminds me of the old days when the clean air and clean water people used to duke it out..... Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2015 #60

I feel the same Kali Aug 2015 #66

The "switchers" are beyond pathetic. joshcryer Aug 2015 #84

I do. I have marched against recent deaths of Black youth at hands of the authorities. mmonk Aug 2015 #67

BLM wants to be heard. We Sanders supporters are listening and agreeing with it. JDPriestly Aug 2015 #68

"whether it is BLM or the KKK ... or anti-abortion" joshcryer Aug 2015 #83

I like your OP a lot, but the dismissive "he wasn't doing enough apparently" makes me angry. Vattel Aug 2015 #91

Sorry, that was tongue in cheek. joshcryer Aug 2015 #92

Thanks. Vattel Aug 2015 #93

Well put Josh davidpdx Aug 2015 #69

K&R nt 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #74

Well reasoned and true. DU should self-eliminate those who force a choice. msanthrope Aug 2015 #86

That second paragraph in my PM evolved. joshcryer Aug 2015 #88

I think so too but apparently BLM thinks I'm a white supremacist liberal. aikoaiko Aug 2015 #89

Nope. joshcryer Aug 2015 #90

josh, this post is ridiculous. You are not a Person of Color, and don't speak for them. nt Romulox Aug 2015 #95

BLM doesn't want my support. I will just be indifferent to them. nt m-lekktor Aug 2015 #101

I think I also wrote this for you nadinbrzezinski Aug 2015 #109

And I do. kenfrequed Aug 2015 #121

I'll continue to work for racial justice despite my problems with some of BLM's tactics. Comrade Grumpy Aug 2015 #126