2016 Postmortem

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12. True, but a whole lot more people know today how they operate than

Sat Sep 19, 2015, 08:07 AM

Sep 2015

they did even a decade ago. And smears like that are often addressed as soon as they appear along with exposures of where they are coming from.

The MSM isn't where most young people go to get their news and it is much more difficult for them to do this on the internet, because when they do, unlike TV, people can go directly to them and let them know what they think of their dishonesty.

See what happened to Brock this week, eg. There was an instant response to his garbage, not just on his own site, but in donations to Bernie Sanders.

Brock is a perfect example of this kind of smear campaign, only when he started out, we did NOT know where it was coming from and could not respond as effectively as we can now.

Think about the Brock incident as an example. By the end of the day of his 'big revelations' re Bernie, NO ONE was talking about them, they were talking about Brock and how THIS is what is destroying our system of government. Dark Money, unidentified billionaires funding these kinds of smear campaigns, EVERYTHING Bernie has been talking about.

In fact it actually helped EMPHASIZE what he is talking about. And ended up benefiting HIM.

This kind of response wasn't possible a decade or so ago. See Dean and Kerry eg.

And we know they will not give up and will try to contol THIS they way they control the Corp Media.

But when they do it again, the response will be as strong if not stronger than it was this time and it will only HURT THEIR candidate as hundreds of thousands of volunteers all over Social Media USE it to demonstrate all that is wrong with the system they hi-jacked.

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And the propaganda against Sanders and his supporters continues [View all] Skwmom Sep 2015 OP

Actually I think this is a good sign. It shows how hard it is for them to attack Bernie on sabrina 1 Sep 2015 #1

"... the 1% who have spent so long setting this country up for their own interests." I believe GoneFishin Sep 2015 #5

It is but the internet can also be used to spread lies and distortion. n/t Skwmom Sep 2015 #9

Sure it can, but it can also be used, as it was this week, to decimate those lies. sabrina 1 Sep 2015 #34

One small example. It is still skewed to the smear mongers UNLESS people learn to question Skwmom Sep 2015 #43

Not everyone is aware of how smears are propagated by the media. Skwmom Sep 2015 #6

True, but a whole lot more people know today how they operate than sabrina 1 Sep 2015 #12

...1 KoKo Sep 2015 #27

So you think propaganda hasn't branched out to the new forms of media? It has Skwmom Sep 2015 #40

I think the argument here is about the same thing--that we have a new *arena* of political fighting MisterP Sep 2015 #52

Yep retrowire Sep 2015 #31

Well, it's been pinkie-wetting so far, and the pinkie has to find the water. Hortensis Sep 2015 #2

Hillary is a nemesis only to the dumbass, Culture War right. Ron Green Sep 2015 #4

Well, if Bernie wins the primary he certainly be a much bigger nemesis. Hortensis Sep 2015 #24

Yep. Ya got me. Totally nailed me. GoneFishin Sep 2015 #3

They're just getting warmed up, but like comics that bomb .... Babel_17 Sep 2015 #7

But it's important to point it out when you see it. n/t Skwmom Sep 2015 #8

Absolutely! And build on the framing for it that exists. (nt) Babel_17 Sep 2015 #10

Oh no someone somewhere said a mean thing about Bernie! SonderWoman Sep 2015 #11

That was a really telling moment...... Skwmom Sep 2015 #13

Indeed it was. The right and the far left coming together to attack BLM. DanTex Sep 2015 #19

I'm to tell the Black Americans who spoke out against what transpired Skwmom Sep 2015 #21

Hey, if you want to keep lecturing Black Americans, knock yourself out. DanTex Sep 2015 #22

Like when Clinton lectured and pointed her finger at BLM? Skwmom Sep 2015 #32

Seeing that Bernie met with the leaders of BLM earlier this week Pope Sweet Jesus Sep 2015 #48

That's it, divide us up...it always works. zeemike Sep 2015 #37

And even if there are far left blacks who support Bernie they are "outliers". cui bono Sep 2015 #185

What are you talking about? Number23 Sep 2015 #219

No kidding. zappaman Sep 2015 #221

I can't keep up with all the disparaging name that Sanders supporters here keep calling the AA forum Number23 Sep 2015 #224

Well, at least one reply to you in this thread zappaman Sep 2015 #227

Yep. Shows that and a hell of a lot more. Number23 Sep 2015 #229

Well if the AA forum wasn't filled with to the brim with tin foil romanic Sep 2015 #222

If you don't like it, that's all the proof I'd ever need that we must be doing something right. Number23 Sep 2015 #223

Doing something right? romanic Sep 2015 #226

That wedge was not created by us. You need to read what is going on outside of this bubble Number23 Sep 2015 #228

I've only had one time out thank you very much romanic Sep 2015 #230

I don't care how we get there, as long as the end result (you leaving me alone) is the same Number23 Sep 2015 #233

Whatever. romanic Sep 2015 #234

Fight the urge to get the last and ever so pointless word in and just hit that Red X. Number23 Sep 2015 #240

LOL! zappaman Sep 2015 #235

I'm talking about this... cui bono Sep 2015 #241

There is a whole lot of subject changing and super charged defensiveness in this post Number23 Sep 2015 #242

You read two sentences of my entire post and yet feel you have the right to judge its content? cui bono Sep 2015 #281

I'm not surprised you're not going to "play my game." Most people say that same thing when they've Number23 Sep 2015 #282

Nail meet hammer nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #249

+1,000 n/t Admiral Loinpresser Sep 2015 #253

What a load of exactly the type of propaganda the OP is about. cui bono Sep 2015 #182

Actually they didn't say a thing about Bernie, because they can't LondonReign2 Sep 2015 #14

So lets see... SonderWoman Sep 2015 #16

wow... Roy Ellefson Sep 2015 #25

No, Democrats are good at running things, republicans destroy. SonderWoman Sep 2015 #70

no Roy Ellefson Sep 2015 #80

+1 cui bono Sep 2015 #187

Did no one train you not to use Republican talking points here? DisgustipatedinCA Sep 2015 #30

Progressive taxation is just and used to be a part of our nation"s system. JDPriestly Sep 2015 #38

Then why hasn't BS run on this platform nationally before?? R B Garr Sep 2015 #47

Son, Sanders has been talking about this issue this way for 30 years nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #49

Son?? If I did that to you, my post would be hidden. HEre's REALITY: R B Garr Sep 2015 #50

Sorry, Mondale was not campaigning in a populist moment nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #51

Well then you should delete your posts where you lecture people about DIVISIVENESS, R B Garr Sep 2015 #53

You know what nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #54

LOL, I've seen your amateur attempts to hijack REAL talking points such as the BLM R B Garr Sep 2015 #56

On the personal attack scale this rates a -100 nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #57

So I guess you're not going to delete your lectures about DIVISIVENESS. R B Garr Sep 2015 #58

Since you are a prime example of what and who that was directed at nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #59

Yet you are the one who attacked me. Again. You've done this before. The posts aare numbered, R B Garr Sep 2015 #60

If you don't want people to be condescending to you nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #61

I do have to laugh. Your "friend" was attacking another poster with a condescending lecture R B Garr Sep 2015 #62

I understand a fact filled post might be scary nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #64

Your facts are questionable to say the least. You are not racially profiled. R B Garr Sep 2015 #65

So Latinos are not racially profiled? nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #67

So is it a "fact" that you are a degreed journalist? R B Garr Sep 2015 #68

Alas like most people working in media nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #71

lol at the way you make yourself a victim. Very reavealing, indeed. R B Garr Sep 2015 #75

Like most people working in media nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #76

LOL at your amateur attempts to usurp talking points.. Now you're a victim of your own R B Garr Sep 2015 #77

Nah this whole thing reveals you nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #78

The posts are numbered. Go back and read them from your first post, and R B Garr Sep 2015 #81

Attacking you is different from being condescending nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #82

The posts are numbered. You can go back and read what you wrote from your R B Garr Sep 2015 #84

+1 n/t Admiral Loinpresser Sep 2015 #114

because there is no degree demtenjeep Oct 2015 #284

I was going to ignore this nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #63

omg, now you were profiled because of what you sound like? R B Garr Sep 2015 #79

Oh my god I was questioned on my citizenship nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #83

omg, how can you intelligently compare being questioned on your citizenship as R B Garr Sep 2015 #85

First you deny that it did not happen nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #86

Thanks for your random thoughts, lol. What I said was that you have not R B Garr Sep 2015 #87

You keep gnawing that bone if it keeps you happy nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #88

Except that the posts are numbered. You can go back and read your first post to me R B Garr Sep 2015 #89

Have fun nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #90

You have indeed crossed lines by trying to make making yourself a victim. You do that a lot. R B Garr Sep 2015 #91

I call bullies in their behavior nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #92

But the numbered posts show you who started bullying. You do this a lot. R B Garr Sep 2015 #93

But the numbered posts nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #94

The numbered posts show your first response and now you admit you will continue R B Garr Sep 2015 #96

Once again I was condescending to you nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #97

The numbered posts show your line of attack, including admitting you attacked me R B Garr Sep 2015 #98

Keep at it nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #100

Oh it's definitely you who "enjoyes" it. So much so that you go out of your way to make R B Garr Sep 2015 #105

My lord you have been crossing BRIGHT RED LINES left right and center nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #106

No, wrong again. You are still just trying to usurup talking points about racism so you R B Garr Sep 2015 #111

You need a dictionary BADLY nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #115

What a ridiculous red herring. I love how you are pretending to be an expert R B Garr Sep 2015 #116

I see you coninue to discount my experience nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #117

Like I've said, you continue with amateiur attempts to usurip talking points about racism R B Garr Sep 2015 #119

Since I have experienced it in the flesh nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #121

You keep trying to usurp talking points about racism. R B Garr Sep 2015 #122

I have experienced it in the flesh nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #125

I've seen what you've written to AA's here, and it's really UGLY what R B Garr Sep 2015 #126

You mean reports from the courts on the 182.5 nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #129

The posts here are numbered. IN none of them have I told you to sit down R B Garr Sep 2015 #139

You have nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #143

lol, what I'm noting are your phony attempts to make yourself a victim. R B Garr Sep 2015 #149

Again, do you tell rape victims they were never victims nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #150

You keep trying to make yourself a victim of your own planned attack on me. R B Garr Sep 2015 #153

I am making myself a victim? Actually you are correct in revealing nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #156

You have already **revealed** that you are doing this to attack me. R B Garr Sep 2015 #160

At this point there are no attacks nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #161

You have aleady reavealed yourself. R B Garr Sep 2015 #164

Continue to do what you are doing nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #168

Yes, I will continue to point out that your stated goal was to attack me, R B Garr Sep 2015 #175

Nah was not, but you exposed your racism nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #177

i've exposed that you said you would attaack me, and that is what R B Garr Sep 2015 #178

Please do continue believing whatever you do believe. nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #179

"experience of race" What you have described is a document process, R B Garr Sep 2015 #183

So you are challenged on your citizen status and nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #189

I was called "mentally ill" by this poster, so zappaman Sep 2015 #167

It is a she, if you bothered to read all of it nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #169

I know, kiddo...I know. zappaman Sep 2015 #170

She revealed this well into the conversation nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #171

Sorry, but I was just following your condescending lead. zappaman Sep 2015 #172

I told her that this is exactly what I was doing since she is quite condesceing nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #173

lol, it is actually pretty easy... R B Garr Sep 2015 #192

And that is what you are doing to me nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #196

Once again. The posts are numbered. Read through them in order, R B Garr Sep 2015 #198

We passed that shit the moment you nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #199

The numbered posts don't show that. Read back through them. They show R B Garr Sep 2015 #202

I did not say that nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #204

You said you were going to keep attacking me, which is what you are doing. R B Garr Sep 2015 #206

I said I was going to call you on your condescencion nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #208

I like how you are still trying to make yourself a victim of your own planned attack on me. R B Garr Sep 2015 #210

It is you who keeps denying what you have done nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #212

Once again, you are just trying to usurp racism talking points to make things about R B Garr Sep 2015 #213

Yes, there is a good reason why that poster was banned from the AA group. zappaman Sep 2015 #214

Yes, indeed. I read through that and was disgusted. R B Garr Sep 2015 #215

Yes, I was giggling at how long ago you were dismissed treestar Sep 2015 #131

So you are also telling me, expected by the way, nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #144

lol, it really is giggle worthy. That's a lot of effort to go through to R B Garr Sep 2015 #147

My point is not to convince you, but in the process you have exposed yourself nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #148

It was actually *you* who exposed herself. R B Garr Sep 2015 #151

You are the one who keeps saying my experience with profiling is not real nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #152

Now you're trying to one up my Mexican-American husband with racist talking points. R B Garr Sep 2015 #154

Not only do you deny the racism I experience nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #157

What's VILE is to say the pro forma voting requirements regarding Proof of Citizenship R B Garr Sep 2015 #158

Again, I was challenged due to that accent nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #159

i have only restated what you said was your "experience" R B Garr Sep 2015 #162

So your husband carries a passport? You too? nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #166

I've already predicted this was your goal all along. You just want to make yourself a victim R B Garr Sep 2015 #174

Planned my ass nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #176

It's noted you throw my Mexican-American husband under the bus becuaes you can't R B Garr Sep 2015 #180

I am not throwing your husband under any bus nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #181

"alerts" R B Garr Sep 2015 #184

What part of I DO NOT ALERT nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #186

Yet you obviously know that other people alert because you mentioned it. R B Garr Sep 2015 #190

I do not control other DU'ers or their actions nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #191

All of this are your own thoughts you've come up with to attack me. R B Garr Sep 2015 #194

So you denying my identity as a latina nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #197

I'm saying you announced that you would be attacking me and this is your method. R B Garr Sep 2015 #200

So I wanted you to deny that I am an actual minority nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #203

Oh, the imagination is all yours. All of what you have conjured up about me has R B Garr Sep 2015 #207

I made you go all out racist nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #209

But the numbered posts don't support what you are saying. You filled in the blanks, R B Garr Sep 2015 #211

NAILED IT. Number23 Sep 2015 #250

Yes, I'm sure that's why they asked for your ID... zappaman Sep 2015 #163

That is why she said I could not be a US Citizen and wanted **PROOF OF CITIZENSHIP** nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #165

Sorry but you are 100% wrong on this one davidpdx Sep 2015 #245

LOL, it's hard to believe that you are serious, My comment didn't have to do with "Latinos" R B Garr Sep 2015 #246

I am press, I live in San Diego nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #248

You're just trying to pin a hide on me, so you know I can't answer this bullshit R B Garr Sep 2015 #252

Walk back now somewhat nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #259

Your entire input has been about me personally. R B Garr Sep 2015 #262

You sound racist yourself when you imply that Latinos have accents. R B Garr Sep 2015 #254

What part of I do as an immigrant are you still missing nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #256

You've made about 100 posts about me personally,mostly vile comments, R B Garr Sep 2015 #258

Well you say I said Latinos have an accent nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #261

How the fuck would I know what you sound like. R B Garr Sep 2015 #263

I said I was profiled due to my heavy accent nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #265

I am from Portland and live in Asia, but that is neither here nor there davidpdx Sep 2015 #251

Really? If I linked to wiki on who Martin Luther King is, you would probably think it R B Garr Sep 2015 #255

None is trying to have nothing hidden nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #257

Own it youself. R B Garr Sep 2015 #260

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And another micro aggresion, nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #130

you claimed you have or had a heavy accent treestar Sep 2015 #133

Keep the micro agresion, nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #136

Learning a language is an intellectual exercise treestar Sep 2015 #138

You keep with this line of racist reasoning nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #142

I agree completely. Admiral Loinpresser Sep 2015 #145

I do not alert, even on racists, Admiral Loinpresser Sep 2015 #155

Talk about a flame war... brooklynite Sep 2015 #231

yes, it's shameful n/t Admiral Loinpresser Sep 2015 #243

I'd like to see the data to back this up. blackspade Sep 2015 #267

Explain Henry Kissenger then. artislife Sep 2015 #271

because there is none demtenjeep Oct 2015 #283

Raising taxes on the rich Admiral Loinpresser Sep 2015 #113

Applause lines are great. I love them, too. R B Garr Sep 2015 #120

Last I checked, Admiral Loinpresser Sep 2015 #123

Yes, those sound like great applause lines! R B Garr Sep 2015 #124

These applause lines are backed by the majority. n/t Admiral Loinpresser Sep 2015 #135

I'd need a cite to that treestar Sep 2015 #140

Sure thing. Admiral Loinpresser Sep 2015 #141

Raising taxes on the rich is a winner among the 99% blackspade Sep 2015 #268

Yes, and it would have been great if Bernie had run for President much earlier R B Garr Sep 2015 #270

So, are you for progressive taxation or not? blackspade Sep 2015 #273

Here's Clinton talking about the billionaire class at the 2008 Democratic Convention R B Garr Sep 2015 #277

I'm asking you what your opinion is. blackspade Sep 2015 #280

Um... because this is the first time he's running for a national office??? cui bono Sep 2015 #193

Um, there are reasons BS has not run a national campaign as a socialist before R B Garr Sep 2015 #216

LOL... those are Republican talking points. I'm not the only one who mentioned it. cui bono Sep 2015 #217

LOL yourself. List Sanders previous national campaigns, thanks. R B Garr Sep 2015 #218

Do you not understand that he hasn't run for national office yet? Wow. I explained it already. cui bono Sep 2015 #236

Wow yourself R B Garr Sep 2015 #237

I don't know why. How and why should I know? cui bono Sep 2015 #238

List reasons Bernie didn't run for President in 1992. R B Garr Sep 2015 #244

Your post makes no sense at all. cui bono Sep 2015 #266

I have to laugh again at this thread title and the contents of the thread. R B Garr Sep 2015 #269

So you can't explain what your question of why Bernie hasn't run for president before cui bono Sep 2015 #279

No it doesn't artislife Sep 2015 #272

lol, I never said he doesn't have "experience." R B Garr Sep 2015 #274

"Some" people. Got it. nt artislife Sep 2015 #275

I counted about 9 elections he could have campaigned in R B Garr Sep 2015 #276

And EVERYONE must follow the formula. nt artislife Sep 2015 #278

......... R B Garr Sep 2015 #247

You feel ok? You missed a turn at Albuquerque? nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #46

Seem you can't make statements but just frame everything in the form of questions. nm rhett o rick Sep 2015 #73

Wow. Just wow. Scootaloo Sep 2015 #127

So let's see... cui bono Sep 2015 #188

Yeah, classy LondonReign2 Sep 2015 #15

A channel 4 nbc news report from Vermont. The horror! SonderWoman Sep 2015 #17

Wow. You really are a GOP operative, aren't you? cui bono Sep 2015 #205

Heh heh. Well played! beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #66

Do you support the for profit prison industry? nm rhett o rick Sep 2015 #72

havent you offended 5 juries yet? MoveIt Sep 2015 #112

and expect to run for President treestar Sep 2015 #137

Camp Weathervane talks their asinine shit... 99Forever Sep 2015 #18

+100 Sums it up. senz Sep 2015 #45

LOL. An overall positive article about Bernie's enthusiastic supporters is "propaganda" because DanTex Sep 2015 #20

It's much more than the one quote. It's the word choices which have been a continuing Skwmom Sep 2015 #23

It is lol. Really unbelievable. And in the meantime, some crank on the internet R B Garr Sep 2015 #95

I cry for journalism HassleCat Sep 2015 #26

It's not just infotainment. It's a means of propaganda, totally lacking in journalistic integrity Skwmom Sep 2015 #28

Probably HassleCat Sep 2015 #29

There is a big difference between working for big corps and owning/managing big corps. senz Sep 2015 #44

So a liberal UK newspaper is part of the evil corporate media conspiracy now? brooklynite Sep 2015 #33

The trash I've read in Mother Jones has taught me that labels are meaningless. Skwmom Sep 2015 #35

That article is a light-hearted piece about a crowd Eric J in MN Sep 2015 #36

No it is not. n/t Skwmom Sep 2015 #39

Uh huh, move along...nothing to see here... senz Sep 2015 #42

Absolutely ! If this count as propaganda . . PosterChild Sep 2015 #102

Anything but the truth. The truth is their enemy. senz Sep 2015 #41

It's scary to get a look inside the juvenile, unbalanced minds of those spewing Zorra Sep 2015 #55

This message was self-deleted by its author Agschmid Sep 2015 #69

Alas that can be said for both campaigns nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #74

Quick! The smelling salts! frazzled Sep 2015 #99

We've got some pretty sensitive flowers here.... PosterChild Sep 2015 #104

Fortunately, Senator Sanders and his supporters LuvLoogie Sep 2015 #101

I wish super tuesday would hurry up workinclasszero Sep 2015 #132

LOL - if you think this,.. PosterChild Sep 2015 #103

I cannot wait for the real stuff nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #107

No doubt about that,. PosterChild Sep 2015 #108

Yup, the civil war here is already hotter than it was in 2008 nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #109

I've been reading negatively slanted articles against Sanders for weeks Skwmom Sep 2015 #110

"If you support Bernie, you need to call out this kind of b.s. " - I agree - who wrote the following muriel_volestrangler Sep 2015 #118

Propaganda against the supporters? treestar Sep 2015 #134

No ... TheFarS1de Sep 2015 #225

Propaganda in politics. No. It can't be true. NCTraveler Sep 2015 #146

Ethics because of the F-35? Admiral Loinpresser Sep 2015 #220

"If you support Bernie, you need to call out this kind of b.s" Do we really, though? merrily Sep 2015 #195

Actually it is a two way street still_one Sep 2015 #201

"propaganda" implies intent...please share your evidence (preferably not "we all know"...) brooklynite Sep 2015 #232

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