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In reply to the discussion: And the propaganda against Sanders and his supporters continues [View all]nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)115. You need a dictionary BADLY
can minimize someone else's experiences. That's attention seeking and performance art to the max. I saw you were banned from the AA group when you followed some posters in there to browbeat them with this same nonsense. So it is you who is getting the enjoyment. BRIGHT RED LINES there!
You think the VRA only applied to the African American Experience? NOPE
Here is a direct link that is relevant
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/latinos-1965-voting-rights-act-impact-came-decade-later-n404936
There is even more, You can go search in the archives, but I did tell that story on Nov of 2004 here on DU. since it was not just insulting, but hurtful. It is not coopting an experience that is also happening to my people, me far less I don't have the melanin content to experience it too often and only happens (and it does) when I open my mouth. I understand, for crass political reasons, which are WRONG, some African Americans cannot recognize their experience is mirrored to a lesser degree among OTHER MINORITIES
You should go and READ ABOUT THE OTHER CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT, the one they don't teach in school that much, that is CESAR CHAVEZ. In the south west the majority minority population is not black. It is hispanic, it is latino, it was segregated, (still is for the same structural reasons as African Americans). It is still discriminated against, It is redlined too. Schools. like the Lemon Grove system were segregated and children of both Kumeyaii and Latino origin were not permitted to speak their native languages either in the 1920s and 30s. This is still a group that as a whole is still stopped and frisked, and profiled by police departments. The data from San Diego PD shows that it is a lesser extent, for example, but that is just a matter of degree.
Fortunately my African American local community and Latinos are not just marching together, but recognizing each other's experience and pain. You might want to follow that lead. What you are doing is extremely ugly, and yes racist. There I said it.
None is trying to subvert anything, except in your imagination and by the way, the GOP loves this, self done divide and conquer. Congratulations, continue to play into their game. And with that I expect you to keep on numbered posts shitty game and racist diatribe and denying that this profiling also happens to people like me.
Here are more articles since of course you will not take this from somebody who has experienced this. The fact that you need to be shown this is not just ugly by the way, but rather telling. Especially since the Florida 2000 voter purge included voters of ALL MINORITIES not just African Americans.
http://heinonline.org/HOL/LandingPage?handle=hein.journals/emlj57&div=36&id=&page=
http://heinonline.org/HOL/LandingPage?handle=hein.journals/rutlr64&div=37&id=&page=
https://books.google.com/books?hl=en&lr=&id=ZXg8J5ixlc0C&oi=fnd&pg=PA1958&dq=latino+voter+suppression&ots=gJDbcgUyFQ&sig=d5lmow3nJ9UN12bHZf6mP2IaGCs#v=onepage&q=latino%20voter%20suppression&f=false
http://heinonline.org/HOL/LandingPage?handle=hein.journals/wajlp22&div=8&id=&page=
http://heinonline.org/HOL/LandingPage?handle=hein.journals/jls8&div=11&id=&page=
By the way I do not expect you to believe any of this, or for that matter care. As of now I believe you do not care. In fact, you have proven to me that it would be best if we did not raise our voices and point out this crap is happening as well.
Oh and here is the stop data for San Diego PD, not going to bother you with the link to the article, just the raw data.
http://docs.sandiego.gov/councilcomm_agendas_attach/2015/psln_150225_3.pdf
Granted they did not do this for a few years, and the Chief was not particularly happy to be challenged and told to do this again. Hell I am sure I am not in her Hanukah list for multiple reasons.
Oh and here is policing in the 21st century where they do talk about race relations, they include latinos by the way, again the raw data.
http://www.policemag.com/resources/documents/21stcpolicingtaskforce-finalreport.pdf
And I will add for you, since our PD has had a few issues, the PERF report, not my reporting on it, the damn raw data. you can argue with the raw data
http://media.nbcbayarea.com/documents/cops-w0756-pub.pdf
Yes, race relations, in this city the majority are latino, and actually AA are one of the smaller minorities, is highlighted as something the report did find even though they did not quite were looking for it. It is in there, including the feelings that ALL MINORITIES feel targeted.
And some of that OTHER CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT, the one that ran in parallel.
http://www.amazon.com/Crusades-Cesar-Chavez-Biography-ebook/dp/B00IE3DM6E/ref=sr_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1442761794&sr=1-3&keywords=cesar+chavez
http://www.amazon.com/Organizers-Tale-Speeches-Cesar-Chavez-ebook/dp/B001R6OTD0/ref=sr_1_6?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1442761794&sr=1-6&keywords=cesar+chavez
http://www.amazon.com/Sal-Puedes-Escape-You-Can-ebook/dp/B00HXIUDRW/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1442761840&sr=1-1&keywords=cesar+chavez+and+civil+rights
And to quote Chavez, si se puede, in this case take those blinders from your eyes.
First you were saying that latinos face nothing, you were shown to be wrong, and now essentially you are telling me that latinos do not face any racism I do not know what is sadder, you denying my experience for I do not know what reason, or you playing into the hands of the GOP.
As I said, locally multiple minority communities are working together. My local power elite is not happy. They should consult you as to how to open those scabs once again, the ones they built and relied over decades, to keep minorities at each other's throats.
And with that, I do not expect you to even get to the end of this post. Keep it up. At this point you are doing a great favor to the GOP. Congrats.
Si se puede! Reach understanding and to acknowledge each other's experience. Yes, Latinos do not have it as bad as African Americans. But they do not have it easy and stating that they face racial profiling, and discrimination is not coopting anybody else's experience.
By the way, this is one factoid you might want to internalize about mass incarceration as well.
The most disturbing feature of this trend, activists have long said, is that those most targeted for arrest and harsh sentencing are African-Americans and Latinos. Law professor and civil rights activist Michelle Alexander has gone as far alleging that the mass incarceration of black Americans is tantamount to a contemporary manifestation of Jim Crow—a method of racial control far more subtle than its predecessor. She isn’t the only black leader to condemn pervasive imprisonment resulting from draconian drug laws—voices as mainstream as Oprah and Will.I.Am have also taken to public channels to protest the merciless aggression with which the criminal justice system has decimated families and communities.
http://www.latinorebels.com/2014/01/07/latinos-and-mass-incarceration-the-dust-under-the-rug/
First off, the racial bias in marijuana arrest rates is likely even more pronounced than what we reported last week. In The War on Marijuana in Black and White, we found that Blacks are over 3.7 times more likely to be arrested for marijuana possession – a staggering racial disparity that exists nationwide. But consider this: most Latino arrests were likely counted as "white" arrests, meaning that the white arrest rate was artificially inflated. If Latinos also have a higher arrest rate than whites (which we suspect they often do), the disparity between Black and white arrest rates would likely have been even larger.
https://www.aclu.org/blog/war-marijuana-has-latino-data-problem
And then there is this graphic from the ACLU
Oh and I expect you to again to the numbered list, and keep actually crossing those bright red glowing lines. You think you are hurting me. that is what bullies believe, but you are hurting yourself. And you are making sure that I do discount anything you say from now on. I am sure that all you will say is tinged with pro GOP talking points, and some racism. It is ugly, The mirror is over there, I recommend you use it.
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Actually I think this is a good sign. It shows how hard it is for them to attack Bernie on
sabrina 1
Sep 2015
#1
"... the 1% who have spent so long setting this country up for their own interests." I believe
GoneFishin
Sep 2015
#5
Sure it can, but it can also be used, as it was this week, to decimate those lies.
sabrina 1
Sep 2015
#34
One small example. It is still skewed to the smear mongers UNLESS people learn to question
Skwmom
Sep 2015
#43
I think the argument here is about the same thing--that we have a new *arena* of political fighting
MisterP
Sep 2015
#52
And even if there are far left blacks who support Bernie they are "outliers".
cui bono
Sep 2015
#185
I can't keep up with all the disparaging name that Sanders supporters here keep calling the AA forum
Number23
Sep 2015
#224
If you don't like it, that's all the proof I'd ever need that we must be doing something right.
Number23
Sep 2015
#223
That wedge was not created by us. You need to read what is going on outside of this bubble
Number23
Sep 2015
#228
I don't care how we get there, as long as the end result (you leaving me alone) is the same
Number23
Sep 2015
#233
Fight the urge to get the last and ever so pointless word in and just hit that Red X.
Number23
Sep 2015
#240
There is a whole lot of subject changing and super charged defensiveness in this post
Number23
Sep 2015
#242
You read two sentences of my entire post and yet feel you have the right to judge its content?
cui bono
Sep 2015
#281
I'm not surprised you're not going to "play my game." Most people say that same thing when they've
Number23
Sep 2015
#282
Well then you should delete your posts where you lecture people about DIVISIVENESS,
R B Garr
Sep 2015
#53
LOL, I've seen your amateur attempts to hijack REAL talking points such as the BLM
R B Garr
Sep 2015
#56
Yet you are the one who attacked me. Again. You've done this before. The posts aare numbered,
R B Garr
Sep 2015
#60
I do have to laugh. Your "friend" was attacking another poster with a condescending lecture
R B Garr
Sep 2015
#62
LOL at your amateur attempts to usurp talking points.. Now you're a victim of your own
R B Garr
Sep 2015
#77
omg, how can you intelligently compare being questioned on your citizenship as
R B Garr
Sep 2015
#85
Except that the posts are numbered. You can go back and read your first post to me
R B Garr
Sep 2015
#89
You have indeed crossed lines by trying to make making yourself a victim. You do that a lot.
R B Garr
Sep 2015
#91
The numbered posts show your first response and now you admit you will continue
R B Garr
Sep 2015
#96
The numbered posts show your line of attack, including admitting you attacked me
R B Garr
Sep 2015
#98
Oh it's definitely you who "enjoyes" it. So much so that you go out of your way to make
R B Garr
Sep 2015
#105
No, wrong again. You are still just trying to usurup talking points about racism so you
R B Garr
Sep 2015
#111
Like I've said, you continue with amateiur attempts to usurip talking points about racism
R B Garr
Sep 2015
#119
I told her that this is exactly what I was doing since she is quite condesceing
nadinbrzezinski
Sep 2015
#173
I like how you are still trying to make yourself a victim of your own planned attack on me.
R B Garr
Sep 2015
#210
Once again, you are just trying to usurp racism talking points to make things about
R B Garr
Sep 2015
#213
My point is not to convince you, but in the process you have exposed yourself
nadinbrzezinski
Sep 2015
#148
You are the one who keeps saying my experience with profiling is not real
nadinbrzezinski
Sep 2015
#152
Now you're trying to one up my Mexican-American husband with racist talking points.
R B Garr
Sep 2015
#154
What's VILE is to say the pro forma voting requirements regarding Proof of Citizenship
R B Garr
Sep 2015
#158
I've already predicted this was your goal all along. You just want to make yourself a victim
R B Garr
Sep 2015
#174
It's noted you throw my Mexican-American husband under the bus becuaes you can't
R B Garr
Sep 2015
#180
I'm saying you announced that you would be attacking me and this is your method.
R B Garr
Sep 2015
#200
Oh, the imagination is all yours. All of what you have conjured up about me has
R B Garr
Sep 2015
#207
But the numbered posts don't support what you are saying. You filled in the blanks,
R B Garr
Sep 2015
#211
That is why she said I could not be a US Citizen and wanted **PROOF OF CITIZENSHIP**
nadinbrzezinski
Sep 2015
#165
LOL, it's hard to believe that you are serious, My comment didn't have to do with "Latinos"
R B Garr
Sep 2015
#246
You're just trying to pin a hide on me, so you know I can't answer this bullshit
R B Garr
Sep 2015
#252
Really? If I linked to wiki on who Martin Luther King is, you would probably think it
R B Garr
Sep 2015
#255
Yes, and it would have been great if Bernie had run for President much earlier
R B Garr
Sep 2015
#270
Here's Clinton talking about the billionaire class at the 2008 Democratic Convention
R B Garr
Sep 2015
#277
Um, there are reasons BS has not run a national campaign as a socialist before
R B Garr
Sep 2015
#216
LOL... those are Republican talking points. I'm not the only one who mentioned it.
cui bono
Sep 2015
#217
Do you not understand that he hasn't run for national office yet? Wow. I explained it already.
cui bono
Sep 2015
#236
So you can't explain what your question of why Bernie hasn't run for president before
cui bono
Sep 2015
#279
Seem you can't make statements but just frame everything in the form of questions. nm
rhett o rick
Sep 2015
#73
LOL. An overall positive article about Bernie's enthusiastic supporters is "propaganda" because
DanTex
Sep 2015
#20
It's much more than the one quote. It's the word choices which have been a continuing
Skwmom
Sep 2015
#23
It is lol. Really unbelievable. And in the meantime, some crank on the internet
R B Garr
Sep 2015
#95
It's not just infotainment. It's a means of propaganda, totally lacking in journalistic integrity
Skwmom
Sep 2015
#28
There is a big difference between working for big corps and owning/managing big corps.
senz
Sep 2015
#44
So a liberal UK newspaper is part of the evil corporate media conspiracy now?
brooklynite
Sep 2015
#33
"If you support Bernie, you need to call out this kind of b.s. " - I agree - who wrote the following
muriel_volestrangler
Sep 2015
#118
"If you support Bernie, you need to call out this kind of b.s" Do we really, though?
merrily
Sep 2015
#195
"propaganda" implies intent...please share your evidence (preferably not "we all know"...)
brooklynite
Sep 2015
#232