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Old and In the Way

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1. Group membership is a vexing issue, given current software limitations.
Wed Feb 22, 2012, 04:11 PM
Feb 2012

Here's what I posted with regards to that issue-

Who gets to determine initial group membership?

1. Any registered person on DU?
2. Any current member of the Group?
3. Any current member of the Group before _______?

If the answer is 2. or 3., how does one determine this? At the very least, we would need some programming changes that shows member name and date of subscription/deletion.

Personally, I think 1. is the only workable solution. If the majority agreed on this, then you could vote on something like: "As of {future date}, only members of this Group will determine rules of the Group." And then proceed to issues such has host selection, SoP, etc.

On edit #2. Because this is a meta question, it should be open to all DUers...everyone has a vested interest in determining the starting point of what constitutes a legit definition of group membership. You could narrow it down to FG only, but by keeping it global, I think this question easily passes. However, the fundamental issue of knowing who is a member can only be determined if there is a common reference that shows who is in the Group. So, I still think either the administrators need to program this feature into DU or we have to accept that fact that anyone can vote on any poll that effects the operational aspects of a particular group.


So, based on how DU3 works now, I don't think there's any real option other than allow anyone to vote on any issue that may be put up for vote in a Group thread. I probably wouldn't if it didn't interest me or, if it did and group membership was requested, I could subscribe on the spot.

Group membership is a vexing issue, given current software limitations. Old and In the Way Feb 2012 #1
I think allowing any du member to vote is fine. Warren Stupidity Feb 2012 #2
Really, I see no other practical alternative. Old and In the Way Feb 2012 #6
Under the current draft of the principles that was approved on Occupy du2, the lead host has no more Leopolds Ghost Feb 2012 #12
See the feminist group. Warren Stupidity Feb 2012 #14
Yeah, it's a problem with the way the system is geared to hosting as private groups Leopolds Ghost Feb 2012 #16
+1 n/t Chan790 Feb 2012 #25
Simple majority vote is not required for Occupy GAs to function well. So I don't think it's an issue Leopolds Ghost Feb 2012 #11
I hope it is kept simple JNelson6563 Feb 2012 #3
My answers to ellisonz 5Q? Chan790 Feb 2012 #4
It is possible to use polls for consensus. The principles as currently written call for consensus Leopolds Ghost Feb 2012 #8
I really tend to agree with point 1. Old and In the Way Feb 2012 #9
I think the thought is to set the bar fairly high. ellisonz Feb 2012 #21
I wonder if the MIRT team couldn't be tasked with alerts that include an SoP violation? Old and In the Way Feb 2012 #28
I thought we're trying to have a non-heirarchical structure, not rely on MIRT. jmho n/t Leopolds Ghost Feb 2012 #35
Regarding DU2 -- all the work that went into creating this forum came from DU2rs -- if you think Leopolds Ghost Feb 2012 #10
No, I think those decisions needed to be made here along with there. Chan790 Feb 2012 #19
To be fair, no decisions beyond the SOP have been made at all... ellisonz Feb 2012 #20
I'll be drafting a counter-proposal then. Chan790 Feb 2012 #26
There is no great rush. ellisonz Feb 2012 #27
The main host does not select co-hosts under the current draft, the group does Leopolds Ghost Feb 2012 #38
It was pointed out in the H&M thread many times where the work was being done. Occupy uses consensus Leopolds Ghost Feb 2012 #34
How are they being marginalized if they ohheckyeah Feb 2012 #30
Do you feel they should, or should not? Leopolds Ghost Feb 2012 #37
Truthfully - ohheckyeah Feb 2012 #45
But we haven't agreed on anything yet... Leopolds Ghost Feb 2012 #49
Why can't the DU2 work be presented here and accepted or not by us all? Why would anyone want to Vincardog Feb 2012 #33
I am concerned because I have done work for a liberal nonprofit where Leopolds Ghost Feb 2012 #36
Ellisonz, can you facilitate the thread I opened up here thats a mirror of the du2 thread? Leopolds Ghost Feb 2012 #5
My thoughts on Ellison's questions -- Leopolds Ghost Feb 2012 #7
With all due respect, you sound like a teacher UnrepentantLiberal Feb 2012 #13
Not at all. It's simply that we posted numerous links back to the threads on the group formation Leopolds Ghost Feb 2012 #15
Well, pardon me for not reading the terms of service UnrepentantLiberal Feb 2012 #17
I wish you'd stay active in this conversation. Chan790 Feb 2012 #22
Alright, I'll keep an eye on it. UnrepentantLiberal Feb 2012 #23
The du2 draft guidelines thought to mention about activist credentials Leopolds Ghost Feb 2012 #39
No, we just told stories and ate cheese sandwhiches. UnrepentantLiberal Feb 2012 #41
What happened in LA? I didn't hear about this -- sounds awful. Leopolds Ghost Feb 2012 #42
Protesters sitting on buses for hours with handcuffs UnrepentantLiberal Feb 2012 #43
Why don't you grab the one or two mods who are running around on DU2 still snooper2 Feb 2012 #18
I like this idea. UnrepentantLiberal Feb 2012 #24
This sounds reasonable. I'd like to add a few quick points. Joe Shlabotnik Feb 2012 #29
Twinkles Leopolds Ghost Feb 2012 #40
So, is this group already ohheckyeah Feb 2012 #31
The idea is to try and be... ellisonz Feb 2012 #32
my two coppers quinnox Feb 2012 #44
Right now I've basically seeing four proposals... ellisonz Feb 2012 #46
I favour options 1 or 2 at this point. Joe Shlabotnik Feb 2012 #47
Thank you for your two-cents. n/t ellisonz Feb 2012 #48
What if hosts enforced SoP by Leopolds Ghost Feb 2012 #50
that solution has merit. Joe Shlabotnik Feb 2012 #51
I think just as a simple matter of communication... ellisonz Feb 2012 #52
I'd like to see some more ideas and opinions from other members Joe Shlabotnik Feb 2012 #53
No doubt. ellisonz Feb 2012 #54
Anyone else have any thoughts? ellisonz Feb 2012 #55
I've been meaning to review the latest draft Leopolds Ghost Feb 2012 #56
No worries. ellisonz Feb 2012 #57
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