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starroute

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12. I would argue that violence itself is implicitly hierarchical
Thu Feb 23, 2012, 09:29 AM
Feb 2012

Any system that depends on force and coercion is a system of hierarchy. But any attempt to use force to overthrow that system already has the assumptions of hierarchy built into it -- which is one reason why violent revolutions tend to go sour.

Horizontalism is based on everybody negotiating together to get on the same page. Not marching in lockstep, but working in an ecological manner where every part is mutually supportive.

If the occupiers really believe in horizontalism -- and don't either give way to the allure of charismatic would-be leaders or allow loose cannons under the banner of "diversity of tactics" -- they've got a really strong basis for staying together and on message.

occupy is protest mdmc Feb 2012 #1
It depends on whether violence (including property destruction) is being forced 99th_Monkey Feb 2012 #2
I agree they should isolate BB and hand them over to the Police. In Toronto people were applegrove Feb 2012 #3
I disagree. This is red-baiting hysteria -- the idea of using bamboo poles (<sp) to corral Leopolds Ghost Feb 2012 #5
Please 99th_Monkey Feb 2012 #6
I apologize if I over-reacted, it's just that we don't experience all this stuff at my local Occupy. Leopolds Ghost Feb 2012 #7
We agree on pretty much everything. 99th_Monkey Feb 2012 #9
I don't think the NYPD would aprove of protestors UnrepentantLiberal Feb 2012 #10
I don't think it matters the structure zeemike Feb 2012 #4
The structure may not matter to you. 99th_Monkey Feb 2012 #8
And they need to be vigilant zeemike Feb 2012 #11
Agreed! Vigilance + to KNOW one another for REAL. patrice Feb 2012 #17
What should Occupy members do? I believe that they should distance themselves physically Vincardog Feb 2012 #14
That was the jist of what i said last weekend in OccupyKochTown ... patrice Feb 2012 #15
I would argue that violence itself is implicitly hierarchical starroute Feb 2012 #12
I agree strongly with what you are saying here. I also have a footnote derived from some observation patrice Feb 2012 #16
I participated in a GA for OccupyKochTown in which this question was a high priority when the patrice Feb 2012 #13
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