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patrice

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16. I agree strongly with what you are saying here. I also have a footnote derived from some observation
Thu Feb 23, 2012, 03:49 PM
Feb 2012

"Not marching in lockstep, but working in an ecological manner where every part is mutually supportive."

As you observe, horizontalism is not a purpose unto itself. It's function is to support the mutual development of individual authenticity. We need authentically autonomous, fully developed, individuals who can work together to figure things out with other fully developed individuals. Practically speaking this amounts to how, though the GA process IS fundamentally useful to everyone, it should not be mechanical and, thus, become oppressive. It should be intimately and fully engaged in the individuals AND the group.

A talented and very young facilitator out of the Tulsa Occupy and I had this conversation and what he said amounted to freeing the process APPROPRIATELY from itself with valid forms of verticality that, because of their horizontal validity, i.e. relationship to horizontal events, are really more like effective punctuation that integrates aspects of the horizontality and then releases that verticality to let the group own it or not as it decides.

I like this idea, because it says that while we are freeing ourselves to be horizontal, horizontality also will NOT be the oppressor; we ARE free to be validly/honestly vertical too; to be either, both or neither is to be free and that is constructive because tasks then become to be more about individual honesty and, hence, validity, and thus also, about RELATIONSHIPS, rather than preconceived ideologies/power-struggles.

A couple of the Tulsa occupiers mentioned that they had really awesome GA facilitation trainings, so I encouraged them to offer their services to other Occupies. I hope their young ladies will also step forward to be part of this if they do.

occupy is protest mdmc Feb 2012 #1
It depends on whether violence (including property destruction) is being forced 99th_Monkey Feb 2012 #2
I agree they should isolate BB and hand them over to the Police. In Toronto people were applegrove Feb 2012 #3
I disagree. This is red-baiting hysteria -- the idea of using bamboo poles (<sp) to corral Leopolds Ghost Feb 2012 #5
Please 99th_Monkey Feb 2012 #6
I apologize if I over-reacted, it's just that we don't experience all this stuff at my local Occupy. Leopolds Ghost Feb 2012 #7
We agree on pretty much everything. 99th_Monkey Feb 2012 #9
I don't think the NYPD would aprove of protestors UnrepentantLiberal Feb 2012 #10
I don't think it matters the structure zeemike Feb 2012 #4
The structure may not matter to you. 99th_Monkey Feb 2012 #8
And they need to be vigilant zeemike Feb 2012 #11
Agreed! Vigilance + to KNOW one another for REAL. patrice Feb 2012 #17
What should Occupy members do? I believe that they should distance themselves physically Vincardog Feb 2012 #14
That was the jist of what i said last weekend in OccupyKochTown ... patrice Feb 2012 #15
I would argue that violence itself is implicitly hierarchical starroute Feb 2012 #12
I agree strongly with what you are saying here. I also have a footnote derived from some observation patrice Feb 2012 #16
I participated in a GA for OccupyKochTown in which this question was a high priority when the patrice Feb 2012 #13
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