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Occupy Underground
In reply to the discussion: So now Occupy is against world trade and capitalism? They will lose support of the 50+% of the 99% [View all]sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)101. As I said, you will need more than your opinion
Where is the movement toward the future? Where is organizing, and teaching people to be autonomous and smart and strong enough to beat those people AT SOMEONES ELSE'S GAME?
I thought you knew something about the movement? How about opening their own banks as one example? Moving their money, billions in a few days into community banks and forcing BOA to abandon their plan to raise fees just because they are greedy? Did Congress manage to stop those fees? No, but a few protesters, well organized did what Congress either refused to do or could not do. How about conducting learning sessions with some of this country's top economists, like Stiglitz eg? Or stopping foreclosures, something else Congress couldn't manage to do but a few protesters accomplished and still are every day, and showed them the way, not that they care.
Just a couple of small examples you apparently have not heard of. As for 'hitting cops', that never happened, it was the other way around, old ladies and the disabled among others, beaten, nearly killed and hospitalized, I guess because 'no one is scared of protests'? They sure act like they are. But if all you read Breitbart et al or the Corporate MSM, I guess you would focus on that rather than what has actually and is being done every day. Not everything is about a 'big march' you know.
This movement is in its infancy but is already worldwide and despite your unawareness, hint, as you like to say, it is not ALL ABOUT marching, in fact that is a small part of it, it is here to stay until things change. Stop relying on the Corporate Media if you want to know what's really going on. They changed the language. Have you heard this president say the words 'Austerity' or 'Share the Sacrifice' since polls showed that over 80% of the public agree with OWS's message? Or read how the US Attorney credited OWS with giving him the backing he needed to stand up against 'making a deal' with the Banks when the pressure on him to do so was intense. Or the other elected officials who have joined the movement themselves and some who have joined lawsuits against the brutal crackdown on protesters and the press and even elected officials?
As for the straw man you built, WHO is against Trade? Opposition to Wall Street Corruption and unfair trade does not translate into 'anti-Trade or even Capitalism. OWS has never opposed Capitalism or Trade. You left out the main word that has caused so much opposition to the current economic system. So that shows how little you know of the movement.
And, I do not use 'spell-check'. But fyi, even if I did it would not correct the word 'equality'. It's called 'SPELL-check' for a reason. Inequality was used throughout the post, so I don't know what point you were making, other than a gratuitous attempt to divert, distract, insult, none of which were achieved if that was the goal. Also, advice is not an order. Anyone can post uninformed material here, there is no rule against it, my advice was to try to be informed IF you want credibility.
The rest of your post was not necessary, most of which I agree with, had you understood the topic you chose to take on, OWS you would have known that. And that was the reason for my 'advice'.
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So now Occupy is against world trade and capitalism? They will lose support of the 50+% of the 99% [View all]
applegrove
May 2012
OP
And can you name one thing about globalization that has been positive? nt
Sarah Ibarruri
May 2012
#1
Millions of people in Asia and Africa are now middle class. Bill Clinton wrote in his book that
applegrove
May 2012
#4
The people who are impoverished are the subsistence farmers who face famine. That is a tough life.
applegrove
May 2012
#9
Capitalism and globalism consist of the rich taking the lion's share and leaving
Sarah Ibarruri
May 2012
#12
No. Democracy takes ahold and people demand adequate taxes on the rich. Same thing Occupy is
applegrove
May 2012
#17
Free trade as established by our trade agreements destroys democracy -- our own
JDPriestly
Jun 2012
#67
They move off the subsistence farms as American farmers did back in the 1930s
JDPriestly
May 2012
#20
'We', who is 'we' who are a 'a lot richer'? We have the largest income inequality
sabrina 1
Jun 2012
#99
No, I don't have it all figured out. I just know the facts, figuring it all out is going to take a
sabrina 1
Jun 2012
#108
Dictionaries and people on Jeopardy are full of facts too. Doesn't mean they accomplish much.
jtuck004
Jun 2012
#109
We've all seen the egos served and their obscene bank accounts, which is why OWS
sabrina 1
Jun 2012
#110
I'll be looking for other accomplishments beyond self-aggrandizement. Thanks. n/t
jtuck004
Jun 2012
#117
Lol, cute deflection. I have potatoes to feed, more important. But you don't need to have launched a
jtuck004
Jun 2012
#120
Yeah, what you said. And u asked what I have done. Today I saw two little girls running
jtuck004
Jun 2012
#122
applegrove has no response to that. THIS is why anti-globalism is ascendant in America.
Zalatix
Jun 2012
#52
Because the rich have taken over in the usa with tax cuts and economic bubbles that they make money
applegrove
Jun 2012
#73
That is what I take issue with. Demonstrators will say they are anti-capitalist when they mean
applegrove
Jun 2012
#71
But Obama is for trade. If you say you are antiglobal trade you cut out a whole host of people in
applegrove
Jun 2012
#78
I've been hearing of the imminent demise of Occupy since the day it started
MannyGoldstein
May 2012
#3
Clearly you know of more organizations speaking truth to power? Care to share? nt
Sarah Ibarruri
May 2012
#41
I'm objecting to the change of focus from inequality onto all manner of leftist causes. I have a
applegrove
May 2012
#11
Occupy wasn't anti-NATO or anti global. It was anti-power in the hands of a few - same as Arab
applegrove
May 2012
#16
I am a big supporter of Occupy. I want to see it become a permanent world wide movement to fight the
applegrove
May 2012
#18
The rich buying the government. A lack of taxes on the rich. Credit card legislation that helps
applegrove
May 2012
#35
You are talking about what has happened to America in the last 50 years. Other countries, like mine
applegrove
May 2012
#37
Students in Quebec don't want to pay $3000 dollars a term for University. They are
applegrove
May 2012
#39
There is only a housing bubble in Toronto and Vancouver (two cities that have had high housing
applegrove
Jul 2012
#129
Occupy can neither support nor engage the very system causing all of our trouble.
Fire Walk With Me
May 2012
#42
None of them are even discussing taking back the trillions upon trillions of dollars given to banks
Fire Walk With Me
May 2012
#48
In San diego alone we had three candidates for congress in three different districts
nadinbrzezinski
Jun 2012
#106
This movement would destroy itself, if it were to do as you suggest. However, there are OWS
sabrina 1
Jun 2012
#116
Instead of anti-globalization, think alter-globalization. We want FAIR trade.
limpyhobbler
May 2012
#22
Then OWS should be clear that they want to alter globalization not end it. And they should be clear
applegrove
May 2012
#44
The movement has people with diverse views who agree on some common actions.
limpyhobbler
May 2012
#45
Ah. I get it. That's why you framed the debate so well right in the subject line of your OP.
Zorra
May 2012
#32
No they are not. They are like Obama's. Like the vast majority of people in the USA. Occupy touched
applegrove
Jun 2012
#79
My ideas are the same as Obama's. That is who I follow. The right wing wins if Occupy becomes a
applegrove
Jun 2012
#85
I'm sorry but I follow Obama on trade policy. You can say 'nope' all you want. I know the right
applegrove
Jun 2012
#87
I know you're wrong. Obama signed a tariff law. You oppose tariffs. You know you're wrong.
Zalatix
Jun 2012
#88
I don't oppose tariffs. I'm for tariffs on chinese goods if they are messing with their dollar.
applegrove
Jun 2012
#91
Like Bill Clinton said, America is winning on trade except for China and the middle east. The
applegrove
Jun 2012
#93
I totally agree money is corrupting politics and the 1% have too much power. Why I want to see
applegrove
Jun 2012
#80
Against corrupt capitalism, certainly, and has been so from the beginning.
Fire Walk With Me
May 2012
#43
Considering that the majority of Americans are AGAINST offshoring, Occupy will win BIG on this one.
Zalatix
Jun 2012
#51
As a left-libertarian, I'm opposed to Occupy being co-opted by Old Left and various Old Left groups
Leopolds Ghost
Jun 2012
#63
Opposing trade agreements is wise. These trade agreements are a cover for the
JDPriestly
Jun 2012
#64
Bill Clinton pointed out in his book that the only trade the USA was not doing well on in balance
applegrove
Jun 2012
#66
He has since then admitted that his idea that we could save Haiti through trade
OrwellwasRight
Jun 2012
#77
This is the truth about free trade - it's all about keeping Chinese and Haitians poor.
Zalatix
Jun 2012
#84
Then why don't they call it 'casino capitalism' on the signs. It alienates OWS from part
applegrove
Jun 2012
#97
I highly recommend you become VERY FAMILIAR with the term HARMONIZATION
nadinbrzezinski
Jun 2012
#103
I'm not denying trade with China is bad. They are messing with their currency and should face
applegrove
Jun 2012
#104
Occupy will lose some of its support, not most of it. But it was those supporters that had woken up
applegrove
Jul 2012
#130
My point is the middle class came together over inequlity during that occupy fall. Don't we want to
applegrove
Jul 2012
#133
My terms are not skewed. I'm make an observation. Occupy appealed to over 50% of Americans
applegrove
Jul 2012
#135