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Benton D Struckcheon

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15. I don't want to totally hijack this so I'll start a new thread on usury itself,
Sun Mar 24, 2013, 01:09 PM
Mar 2013

however, to answer your question, the rate banks are going to either give you on a deposit or charge you on a loan is tied to what they can get risk free via buying and selling Treasuries.
You have to put yourself in the shoes of a banker. Would you give a customer more for his deposit than you could make on a Treasury, given that with the Treasury bond you know the term of the deposit, that is, if you buy a 10 year, you've got that money for those ten years, whereas if the banker takes a deposit from you, he'd have to guess how long you keep it with him.
Unless of course you buy a cd, and there of course the rate is going to be tied to Treasuries, as they aren't going to give you much more than what they could get from buying a Treasury. Unless they desperately need cash for some reason. In that case you have to ask yourself a very sensible question: why do they need my cash that badly? You may not want to give it to them if it looks too good to be true.

My basic rule for everything is this: every basis point (one hundredth of a point) you make over the prevailing Treasury you make because there is some risk you're taking. You have to think this way, especially today. Those rates may seem too low, but if someone offers to pay you more for your money than the prevailing Treasury rate for the term (one year, two year, whatever) it's because they're taking some risk with that money. In the case of a bank it's lending your money on to credit card customers, homebuyers, and so on.
Interest rates are a measure of risk. The more you make over Treasuries the more risk you're taking. Most people don't realize this. Burn that into your brain. It's valuable information.

DU Rec Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2013 #1
The interest paid on savings and CDs is insulting AndyA Mar 2013 #2
This has to do with the repeal of nationwide usury laws, Benton D Struckcheon Mar 2013 #3
Thanks for that information. sabrina 1 Mar 2013 #7
Ten year Treasuries are @1.91% Benton D Struckcheon Mar 2013 #10
Well, one reason is profits for the Banks I suppose. I just reread your sabrina 1 Mar 2013 #11
I don't want to totally hijack this so I'll start a new thread on usury itself, Benton D Struckcheon Mar 2013 #15
Thread started Benton D Struckcheon Mar 2013 #21
Thanks, I get it now, you explained it very clearly. sabrina 1 Mar 2013 #43
Probably when they were allowed to invest in the stock market... rwsanders Mar 2013 #26
I think you nailed it. Just like they are trying to get their hands on the SS sabrina 1 Mar 2013 #36
My nephew asked me to co-sign a small student loan. Thor_MN Mar 2013 #12
that is good of you ... however it didn't help his credit rating. nt littlewolf Mar 2013 #20
You think a 10% interest rate is good for him? Thor_MN Mar 2013 #24
true I might have let him get the loan and then littlewolf Mar 2013 #31
He has other loans. Thor_MN Mar 2013 #32
It's a student loan. NEVER take a student loan. Sirveri Mar 2013 #47
You did your nephew a huge favor! abelenkpe Mar 2013 #28
I think that was a great decision. sabrina 1 Mar 2013 #35
Actually, the extremely low interest rates are just an alternative JDPriestly Mar 2013 #23
Yes, and while dividend-paying stocks are yielding a bit more. BadgerKid Mar 2013 #25
K&R AnotherMcIntosh Mar 2013 #4
Moving our money can help but probably not stop them from getting it in the end. rhett o rick Mar 2013 #5
The only way to keep them from getting our money seems to be to sabrina 1 Mar 2013 #13
There is a risk of course of theft. But also, would paper money be best? rhett o rick Mar 2013 #27
I don't know whether paper money is best. I know a few people who sabrina 1 Mar 2013 #44
Historically gold has always been accepted as a unit of value. rhett o rick Mar 2013 #46
Are they going to let the banks fail or bail them out again? starroute Mar 2013 #6
There are a few articles linked in the original article. Good question sabrina 1 Mar 2013 #9
OWS is "the only threat to their criminal activities," bvar22 Mar 2013 #8
I will never forget that. Henry walked into Congress like King, handed sabrina 1 Mar 2013 #14
That scene, with Paulson, in front of the TV cameras, bvar22 Mar 2013 #22
"Martial law" KansDem Mar 2013 #52
Remember, Congress voted against the bailout initially after they received so much pressure sabrina 1 Mar 2013 #53
Yes! KansDem Mar 2013 #55
While I share your disdain for big banks customerserviceguy Mar 2013 #16
They're also doing their best to criminalize any opposition to corporations starroute Mar 2013 #30
Attempts to criminalize the videotaping of violent police tactics... KansDem Mar 2013 #54
True, but we know that Wall St owns politicians. So it seems to me they sabrina 1 Mar 2013 #45
I admit to knowing very little about finance but Sadiedog Mar 2013 #17
It is outright theft. What else can it be called? I don't know much about finance sabrina 1 Mar 2013 #38
HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Mar 2013 #18
Plunderball: catchy name! Demeter Mar 2013 #19
Why don't governments all over the globe abelenkpe Mar 2013 #29
No, you're not the only one asking all those questions. sabrina 1 Mar 2013 #48
Excellent post...but scary as hell. AikidoSoul Mar 2013 #33
I think, if it had done nothing else, OWS demonstrated how far sabrina 1 Mar 2013 #39
I found out that money is seldom safe when it comes to banks. Social Security money is not supposed jwirr Mar 2013 #34
Are we at a point then, where the only way to keep your money safe is sabrina 1 Mar 2013 #37
I put mine in GoDirect which is still in a bank but it is a FED bank that holds our social security jwirr Mar 2013 #49
Well for me its like what money? Sadiedog Mar 2013 #40
Lol, same here, but I'm thinking of people who want to save and have sabrina 1 Mar 2013 #41
I know it is just disgusting . Sadiedog Mar 2013 #42
OWS needs to get more power. loudsue Mar 2013 #50
Banks would put a stop to it pretty quick once they noticed a pattern of withdrawal woodsprite Mar 2013 #51
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