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BlueStreak

(8,377 posts)
14. I have mixed emotions about this
Sun Apr 28, 2013, 10:07 PM
Apr 2013

Clearly the main premise (the 2% business and the resulting nonsense arithmetic) is crap.

But two things:

1) Are there many people trapped in IRAs where they are forced to invest in the highest cost funds? I don't know, but maybe that is possible.

2) Despite the BS math, the fact remains that an enormous amount of money goes into these management fees. A half percent on a billion dollar fund is still 5 million bucks a year. That's a lot of money for what is essentially bookkeeping.

Look at VFAIX, for example:
http://www.marketwatch.com/investing/fund/VFIAX

That has fees of 1/20th of a percent -- which is extremely low. But they have $66 BILLION in that fund. That is 33 million a year in fees for no management (i.e. stock research and picking) at all. Is that fair? For that money, they do have to pay for a lot of computers, customer service people, and auditors. I really don't want them to cut corners on that.

Not sure I understand what they are saying BlueStreak Apr 2013 #1
You're missing a lot of the fine print Warpy Apr 2013 #4
Are you saying that the load the Morningstar (and others) report is not accurate? BlueStreak Apr 2013 #6
I wouldn't call it hogwash, but it's misleading at best Major Nikon Apr 2013 #17
They would have been a lot more credible if they had gone with ... BlueStreak Apr 2013 #19
Agreed. And if a 401k only offers only high-fee funds and has a high management fee progree Apr 2013 #22
Agreed. I have been in 4 different employer 401Ks BlueStreak Apr 2013 #24
Yep, all the hot-shot investors joked about my IRA... Eleanors38 Apr 2013 #26
It wouldn't surprise me if some employers have so trapped their employees Major Nikon Apr 2013 #23
A friend of mine had his 401K invested in a "semi-agressive" portfolio CountAllVotes Apr 2013 #27
I've always looked at stocks as a long term investment Major Nikon Apr 2013 #31
This was a good, and scary, piece Lifelong Protester Apr 2013 #2
Excerpt here: NYC_SKP Apr 2013 #3
I Don't Know What Ms Martens Meant to Say, On the Road Apr 2013 #9
I have mixed emotions about this BlueStreak Apr 2013 #14
I Agree That the Concern is Valid On the Road Apr 2013 #25
In the companies where I have worked, 95% of CEO compensation BlueStreak Apr 2013 #28
VFIAX - VANGUARD = member-owned. And Vgd S&P 500 fund has grown 42-fold since 1976 inception progree Apr 2013 #29
Sorry, but I have a problem with this article... brooklynite Apr 2013 #5
Manage your own investment Dan de Lyons Apr 2013 #7
It is possible, but most people don't do better BlueStreak Apr 2013 #8
Some how not all all unbelievable CountAllVotes Apr 2013 #10
This is pure nonsense (broad-brushing). My 401(k) was mostly invested in Vanguard index funds progree Apr 2013 #11
Bogle recommends investing in index funds nt No Vested Interest Apr 2013 #13
I am a grateful Boglehead nt progree Apr 2013 #16
i invest in ebayables. wall street is a casino. only the HOUSE WINS. pansypoo53219 Apr 2013 #12
Not a bad idea for a chunk of your portfolio to be in such barterable things. AtheistCrusader Apr 2013 #15
I have been posting on this issue for ages. JDPriestly Apr 2013 #18
I'm not sure I'm following much of any of this progree Apr 2013 #21
Why does the tax deferral look so good on paper? JDPriestly Apr 2013 #30
Tax deferral works even when tax rates are the same in retirement progree Apr 2013 #32
I agree that rental properties are not an alternative. JDPriestly Apr 2013 #34
Actually, I deployed some new money in REIT (Real Estate Investment Trusts) progree Apr 2013 #35
Deleted. I meant this to be in reply to #18. Sorry about that. nt progree Apr 2013 #20
Saving for later. Thanks for posting. n/t Laelth Apr 2013 #33
I hope you trash it for the garbage that it is nt progree Apr 2013 #36
I appreciate your insight on this subject. Laelth Apr 2013 #37
You're welcome. Please read #11 where the "2/3" figure came from. It is a hypothetical. progree Apr 2013 #38
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