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BlueStreak

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24. Agreed. I have been in 4 different employer 401Ks
Mon Apr 29, 2013, 09:44 AM
Apr 2013

Last edited Mon Apr 29, 2013, 02:54 PM - Edit history (1)

throughout my career.

Rule #1, whenever you have the option to roll that into a self-directed IRA, don't lose a minute doing that. Do it immediately. You can always do that at the end of your employment with the company, and there may be other times you can get your money out of the 401K.

None of the 4 plans ever forced me to invest in the stock of my employer. That is the most abusive of all. There is one huge employer in my city. For decades, it was seen as the best place to work, but I know a lot of folks who ended up with half of their retirement money in that stock. Fortunately it never completely cratered, but it did have its ups and downs. Rule #2, never put a cent into the stock of your employer. You already have enough of your life tied up in the fortunes of that company. Don't add to the risk.

All of my 401Ks had a limited number of investment options -- typically 8 different funds. None of them had fees so high that I suspected the company was getting kickbacks, but they might have been. It probably isn't so much an actual under-the-table kickback. It is more likely that when they went out to bid for 401K processors, the ones that had the best deal for the company "coincidentally" happened to have high fund management fees charged to the employee. Is that crooked or unethical? I'd call it borderline. And that is why you want to get the money out of the company 401K just as soon as you have the opportunity.

In my experience some employers will listen to their employees. If you don't like the fund choices in your company 401K, see if other employees share that concern. If many employees make a request of HR for additional options, they might be able to get that into next year's plan. If you can be more specific about what you would like to see, that makes it easier for HR to act on the request.

Not sure I understand what they are saying BlueStreak Apr 2013 #1
You're missing a lot of the fine print Warpy Apr 2013 #4
Are you saying that the load the Morningstar (and others) report is not accurate? BlueStreak Apr 2013 #6
I wouldn't call it hogwash, but it's misleading at best Major Nikon Apr 2013 #17
They would have been a lot more credible if they had gone with ... BlueStreak Apr 2013 #19
Agreed. And if a 401k only offers only high-fee funds and has a high management fee progree Apr 2013 #22
Agreed. I have been in 4 different employer 401Ks BlueStreak Apr 2013 #24
Yep, all the hot-shot investors joked about my IRA... Eleanors38 Apr 2013 #26
It wouldn't surprise me if some employers have so trapped their employees Major Nikon Apr 2013 #23
A friend of mine had his 401K invested in a "semi-agressive" portfolio CountAllVotes Apr 2013 #27
I've always looked at stocks as a long term investment Major Nikon Apr 2013 #31
This was a good, and scary, piece Lifelong Protester Apr 2013 #2
Excerpt here: NYC_SKP Apr 2013 #3
I Don't Know What Ms Martens Meant to Say, On the Road Apr 2013 #9
I have mixed emotions about this BlueStreak Apr 2013 #14
I Agree That the Concern is Valid On the Road Apr 2013 #25
In the companies where I have worked, 95% of CEO compensation BlueStreak Apr 2013 #28
VFIAX - VANGUARD = member-owned. And Vgd S&P 500 fund has grown 42-fold since 1976 inception progree Apr 2013 #29
Sorry, but I have a problem with this article... brooklynite Apr 2013 #5
Manage your own investment Dan de Lyons Apr 2013 #7
It is possible, but most people don't do better BlueStreak Apr 2013 #8
Some how not all all unbelievable CountAllVotes Apr 2013 #10
This is pure nonsense (broad-brushing). My 401(k) was mostly invested in Vanguard index funds progree Apr 2013 #11
Bogle recommends investing in index funds nt No Vested Interest Apr 2013 #13
I am a grateful Boglehead nt progree Apr 2013 #16
i invest in ebayables. wall street is a casino. only the HOUSE WINS. pansypoo53219 Apr 2013 #12
Not a bad idea for a chunk of your portfolio to be in such barterable things. AtheistCrusader Apr 2013 #15
I have been posting on this issue for ages. JDPriestly Apr 2013 #18
I'm not sure I'm following much of any of this progree Apr 2013 #21
Why does the tax deferral look so good on paper? JDPriestly Apr 2013 #30
Tax deferral works even when tax rates are the same in retirement progree Apr 2013 #32
I agree that rental properties are not an alternative. JDPriestly Apr 2013 #34
Actually, I deployed some new money in REIT (Real Estate Investment Trusts) progree Apr 2013 #35
Deleted. I meant this to be in reply to #18. Sorry about that. nt progree Apr 2013 #20
Saving for later. Thanks for posting. n/t Laelth Apr 2013 #33
I hope you trash it for the garbage that it is nt progree Apr 2013 #36
I appreciate your insight on this subject. Laelth Apr 2013 #37
You're welcome. Please read #11 where the "2/3" figure came from. It is a hypothetical. progree Apr 2013 #38
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