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reusrename

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27. There's a lot of truthiness in your post, and I don't mean it in a derogatory way.
Fri Aug 9, 2013, 10:16 PM
Aug 2013

It could be very instructive to look into what your saying a little closer. I'm not saying you're wrong about any of this, only that science is proving certain things to be real.

I sort of understand this "horizontal leadership" concept and science is showing that it's only a concept. It does not exist in real-life social structures among real people, specifically social networks among what the literature refers to as insurgents.

This ties deeply into the whole concept of what leadership actually is. Especially the leadership of political movements.

Scientific analysis is proving that the most critical persons in a political movement are generally not the ones who are the most visible or the most vocal. This is what I've been able to find out from trying to read up on this stuff. The subject matter is difficult enough, and then add to it the secrecy imposed by the surveillance state, and it becomes pretty murky pretty quickly into it.

To me, a good,well documented, example of a successful political movement might be the Obama campaign in 2008.




That upward turn for Obama during the primaries, that looks like a movement to me. He captured the Edwards and Gore supporters (they dropped out) almost completely. Who should get most of the credit? The science is showing that whoever came up with the branding is probably among the most influential people involved.

I believe OWS were victims of this new technology. I believe the metadata is the greater danger to liberty and freedom.

"OWS - Where have they gone?" [View all] Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 OP
I support what you are doing but not how. Too many issues that are symptoms, go after the root Dustlawyer Aug 2013 #1
1000% right Dustlawyer sorefeet Aug 2013 #3
Campaign corruption is just one more symptom starroute Aug 2013 #4
I don't think that publicly funded elections would be ineffectual, I think it would be Dustlawyer Aug 2013 #18
I agree it could be more likely to happen, but not that it would do any good starroute Aug 2013 #20
The government can restrict the 1st amendment if it can show a compelling governmental interest. Dustlawyer Aug 2013 #21
I don't think election reform is the number one issue. Blanks Aug 2013 #57
kick /nt Dragonfli Aug 2013 #2
Kicked and Recommended! Enthusiast Aug 2013 #5
This is true but... Phillyindy Aug 2013 #6
Our agenda is very clear; the issues are myriad, perhaps legion Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #9
Sorry, I disagree Phillyindy Aug 2013 #12
You have to remember OWS is an emergent, a paradigm shift away from greed and selfishness. Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #13
Sounds like... Phillyindy Aug 2013 #15
Sorry, waxing philosopic there. My main interest is spirituality so that sometimes bleeds Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #16
Many people wrote off OWS once it became apparent Maedhros Aug 2013 #26
To an extent... Phillyindy Aug 2013 #28
Agreed. Maedhros Aug 2013 #30
And please never forget that "democratic" and "progressive" mayors are among the worst offenders Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #32
Yes - both sides of the political divide cooperated Maedhros Aug 2013 #55
The Buckminster Fuller quote: yes (n/t) bread_and_roses Aug 2013 #35
There's a lot of truthiness in your post, and I don't mean it in a derogatory way. reusrename Aug 2013 #27
Civil rights, worker rights, and environmental law movements have all failed bread_and_roses Aug 2013 #36
Is this a joke? Phillyindy Aug 2013 #43
The agenda was NOT clear and that is because there was no leadership. MADem Aug 2013 #31
"Responsibility and authority" would have turned OWS into ...what? bread_and_roses Aug 2013 #37
When you have leaders who take responsibility and have the authority to act for the benefit of the MADem Aug 2013 #40
AMEN. (Nt) Phillyindy Aug 2013 #44
Oh - And what's with the contempt for the homeless and hungry? bread_and_roses Aug 2013 #38
What "contempt?" MADem Aug 2013 #41
Many here... Phillyindy Aug 2013 #42
Thank you. I wanted them to succeed, but it was not to be. MADem Aug 2013 #47
Pretty much. (Nt) Phillyindy Aug 2013 #48
The "programs" for the homeless have left them under the bridge too bread_and_roses Aug 2013 #45
Way to miss my point....again! MADem Aug 2013 #46
My local Occupy runs a weekly free medical clinic each Sunday here, open to all, even to you! Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #49
Those things are... Phillyindy Aug 2013 #51
Here is what I responded to, all about how Occupy should do what they are doing here: Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #52
How nice of you. I pay for my medical -- it's not expensive as I am a military retiree. MADem Aug 2013 #54
It's almost like.. Phillyindy Aug 2013 #50
That poster said 'they should start their own programs' then you attacked them for doing so. Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #53
I answered your question, FWIW. MADem Aug 2013 #56
k and r niyad Aug 2013 #7
K & R, Period. TheJames Aug 2013 #8
K&R! nt Mnemosyne Aug 2013 #10
K&R Saviolo Aug 2013 #11
Everybody branched out into various activities. limpyhobbler Aug 2013 #14
DURec!! bvar22 Aug 2013 #17
Second that, bvar22 (n/t) bread_and_roses Aug 2013 #39
To every thing, there is a season Demeter Aug 2013 #19
Big K&R! nt 99th_Monkey Aug 2013 #22
HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Aug 2013 #23
Thank you for all your efforts. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #24
The only quibble I have is where the ACLU says debt is their business model. reusrename Aug 2013 #25
We Need More 99 Percent People To Get What's Going On And Engage. colsohlibgal Aug 2013 #29
Wow. What a beautiful post. woo me with science Aug 2013 #33
OWS was a temporary autonomous response to worsening corporate stupidity,. Civilization2 Aug 2013 #34
There are people upthread who are missing a few things... Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #58
Occupy Lives warrprayer Aug 2013 #59
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