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MADem

(135,425 posts)
31. The agenda was NOT clear and that is because there was no leadership.
Sat Aug 10, 2013, 12:15 AM
Aug 2013

See, you can't even "speak for OWS" because there are no leaders. Yours is just one lousy opinion--because you can't speak for the group. You can give us your personal impressions, but that's it.

What doomed OWS was the inability to set a course of action on any issue, even one as mundane as where the porta potties were sited without a lot of talking stick bullshit and "consensus."

There are times when a little top-down leadership is a good idea. OWS would be alive, kicking and making some serious sense if the kumbayah-leaderless-"everyone has the same clout" input system was dispensed with, and people that the group deemed qualified were elevated as leaders and spokespeople. They'd probably still have some of that money that people, in good faith, sent in.

If leaders got jailed, you get more leaders--but you don't do without leaders. Lawyers and people who support the goals OWS championed don't like to deal with a borg of people waving their fingers in the air, with a bunch of homeless people who don't really give a shit about the issues but are just grateful for a place to crash that has less crime and free food, and those black bloc jerks who disrupted every third demonstration, having the same input as people who actually CARED about the goals of the organization. They like an organisational structure, a chain of command, a leadership succession.

OWS missed an opportunity, because of that time-wasting "consensus-leaderless" model, to provide a visible crucible for future political leaders. I do think they'd still be a fierce force if they'd just gone a little "old school" and went for a "responsibility and authority" organizational structure.

"OWS - Where have they gone?" [View all] Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 OP
I support what you are doing but not how. Too many issues that are symptoms, go after the root Dustlawyer Aug 2013 #1
1000% right Dustlawyer sorefeet Aug 2013 #3
Campaign corruption is just one more symptom starroute Aug 2013 #4
I don't think that publicly funded elections would be ineffectual, I think it would be Dustlawyer Aug 2013 #18
I agree it could be more likely to happen, but not that it would do any good starroute Aug 2013 #20
The government can restrict the 1st amendment if it can show a compelling governmental interest. Dustlawyer Aug 2013 #21
I don't think election reform is the number one issue. Blanks Aug 2013 #57
kick /nt Dragonfli Aug 2013 #2
Kicked and Recommended! Enthusiast Aug 2013 #5
This is true but... Phillyindy Aug 2013 #6
Our agenda is very clear; the issues are myriad, perhaps legion Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #9
Sorry, I disagree Phillyindy Aug 2013 #12
You have to remember OWS is an emergent, a paradigm shift away from greed and selfishness. Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #13
Sounds like... Phillyindy Aug 2013 #15
Sorry, waxing philosopic there. My main interest is spirituality so that sometimes bleeds Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #16
Many people wrote off OWS once it became apparent Maedhros Aug 2013 #26
To an extent... Phillyindy Aug 2013 #28
Agreed. Maedhros Aug 2013 #30
And please never forget that "democratic" and "progressive" mayors are among the worst offenders Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #32
Yes - both sides of the political divide cooperated Maedhros Aug 2013 #55
The Buckminster Fuller quote: yes (n/t) bread_and_roses Aug 2013 #35
There's a lot of truthiness in your post, and I don't mean it in a derogatory way. reusrename Aug 2013 #27
Civil rights, worker rights, and environmental law movements have all failed bread_and_roses Aug 2013 #36
Is this a joke? Phillyindy Aug 2013 #43
The agenda was NOT clear and that is because there was no leadership. MADem Aug 2013 #31
"Responsibility and authority" would have turned OWS into ...what? bread_and_roses Aug 2013 #37
When you have leaders who take responsibility and have the authority to act for the benefit of the MADem Aug 2013 #40
AMEN. (Nt) Phillyindy Aug 2013 #44
Oh - And what's with the contempt for the homeless and hungry? bread_and_roses Aug 2013 #38
What "contempt?" MADem Aug 2013 #41
Many here... Phillyindy Aug 2013 #42
Thank you. I wanted them to succeed, but it was not to be. MADem Aug 2013 #47
Pretty much. (Nt) Phillyindy Aug 2013 #48
The "programs" for the homeless have left them under the bridge too bread_and_roses Aug 2013 #45
Way to miss my point....again! MADem Aug 2013 #46
My local Occupy runs a weekly free medical clinic each Sunday here, open to all, even to you! Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #49
Those things are... Phillyindy Aug 2013 #51
Here is what I responded to, all about how Occupy should do what they are doing here: Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #52
How nice of you. I pay for my medical -- it's not expensive as I am a military retiree. MADem Aug 2013 #54
It's almost like.. Phillyindy Aug 2013 #50
That poster said 'they should start their own programs' then you attacked them for doing so. Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #53
I answered your question, FWIW. MADem Aug 2013 #56
k and r niyad Aug 2013 #7
K & R, Period. TheJames Aug 2013 #8
K&R! nt Mnemosyne Aug 2013 #10
K&R Saviolo Aug 2013 #11
Everybody branched out into various activities. limpyhobbler Aug 2013 #14
DURec!! bvar22 Aug 2013 #17
Second that, bvar22 (n/t) bread_and_roses Aug 2013 #39
To every thing, there is a season Demeter Aug 2013 #19
Big K&R! nt 99th_Monkey Aug 2013 #22
HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Aug 2013 #23
Thank you for all your efforts. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #24
The only quibble I have is where the ACLU says debt is their business model. reusrename Aug 2013 #25
We Need More 99 Percent People To Get What's Going On And Engage. colsohlibgal Aug 2013 #29
Wow. What a beautiful post. woo me with science Aug 2013 #33
OWS was a temporary autonomous response to worsening corporate stupidity,. Civilization2 Aug 2013 #34
There are people upthread who are missing a few things... Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #58
Occupy Lives warrprayer Aug 2013 #59
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