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27. I've tried to lay off of the President...

Reply to Fire Walk With Me (Original post)

Sat Aug 24, 2013, 09:41 PM

Aug 2013

because I know I'll get a ton of knee-jerk defensive reactions from those who still have faith in the System. It is now almost impossible to do so, as there seems to be a concerted effort to get a lid on any dissent here. I hate republicans and the so-called libertarians ,too. The Libertarians sound good, until they start talking about extending liberties to the corporations, which amounts to letting them do as they please.

You must be hitting a nerve. I do not know how they can keep trying to cover the President, when we have new information daily about abuses and overreach.

I don't think the juries are stacked with us "jackass confederates"; I haven't been on a jury in months!

I think the key thing to remember is that we are not here to change the minds of those that attack us; we are here to provide an alternative to the Party line. Honest opinion will always have value. I also believe that opinions on the Web are noted by some in the Party, so it is important to speak out if you have a dissenting opinion.

gotta go; keep up the good work....

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Good LORD, they're out in force. [View all] Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 OP

Win some, lose some. Just Saying Aug 2013 #1

I'll only do it when it's absolutely blatant and useless to any conversation. Which of course is not Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #2

I am sorry for this, FWWM. roguevalley Aug 2013 #101

I Appreciate Your Contributions - Please Keep Posting cantbeserious Aug 2013 #3

Thanks; I know it means I'm doing something right, but this is what I'd expect from a RW Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #5

same here - let fly Supersedeas Aug 2013 #54

I hope it wasn't one of the great posts involving the 1% orpupilofnature57 Aug 2013 #4

That's what's upset them; I was hidden in a Probama thread for stating facts regarding Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #8

Or Liberty, the Freedom to tell the Truth . orpupilofnature57 Aug 2013 #16

That's a very common post creeksneakers2 Aug 2013 #34

Was it a BOG thread? OnyxCollie Aug 2013 #53

:) I've never posted there although it's SOOOOO tempting. It's unbelievable. Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #62

I didn't realize it was a BOG thread when I posted. OnyxCollie Aug 2013 #72

I think I only posted there once, by accident-- truebluegreen Aug 2013 #75

I'm with you. Enthusiast Aug 2013 #84

And yet those are the same people who call anyone criticizing the NSA cui bono Aug 2013 #95

same DUer blocked me for a "multi-dimensional chess game" post - it was about a DrDan Aug 2013 #108

This message was self-deleted by its author bahrbearian Aug 2013 #153

In the BOG, a person can be blocked if they say something positive about a position taken by Obama - AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #162

I remember that guy, the 2008 Obama for whom I voted. Wonder what happened to him. ;) n/t Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #170

As Democrats, I would hope that we would not follow blindly emsimon33 Aug 2013 #83

Yes, the "alert system" is starting to become stacked DontTreadOnMe Aug 2013 #6

It isn't perfect Mz Pip Aug 2013 #71

I agree with you emsimon33 Aug 2013 #85

They are desperate. Keep the posts coming. n/t n2doc Aug 2013 #7

Thanks. These are facts; we shouldn't even be arguing them, much less shouting them down Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #9

Juror #5 is a f***ing COWARD Skittles Aug 2013 #10

Thank you Skittles. Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #11

Actually, having presented such an inappropriate explanation, Juror #5 should be banned from ever be emsimon33 Aug 2013 #86

K&R for you MotherPetrie Aug 2013 #12

Thank you. n/t Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #13

That juror needs to get an alert. brer cat Aug 2013 #14

Thanks. I've posted it in the ATA section. n/t Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #15

What is ATA? n/t cui bono Aug 2013 #44

Ask the Administrators. OnyxCollie Aug 2013 #56

Good. DU doesn't need jurors who vote for/against someone "on principle". pacalo Aug 2013 #74

I agree. juajen Aug 2013 #50

I agree. The explanation was way out of line emsimon33 Aug 2013 #88

I am sorry this happened, FWWM. Place has definitely changed in the last 10 years, Mnemosyne Aug 2013 #17

KnR .... I had a similar experience alittlelark Aug 2013 #18

Sorry to hear it. I can't believe we'd have such trouble in an "underground" forum. n/t Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #19

k and r--some of us appreciate the information and insight you bring. niyad Aug 2013 #20

Thanks. Not "democratic" much, is it? Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #22

not democratic, not rational, not logical--just pure nonsense. will be fun to see if juror 5 niyad Aug 2013 #28

No, not democratic, and I among others have noticed that DUers, over the years, have Nay Aug 2013 #59

Thank you, and I fear that you are correct. n/t Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #65

I think that some here speak a little too harshly of Obama. Blanks Aug 2013 #202

They're getting very desperate Hydra Aug 2013 #21

Agreed- the RW mentality is here :( Peace... Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #24

these people are true RW, regardless of what they are calling themselves DJ13 Aug 2013 #39

When doesn't the 1% win? Hydra Aug 2013 #40

I bet a majority of Obama voters in 08 thought the 1% wouldn't be the winners when he won DJ13 Aug 2013 #52

I'm sure you're right Hydra Aug 2013 #57

I'm if full agreement DJ13 Aug 2013 #61

Voluntarily extended the Bush tax cuts. Enthusiast Aug 2013 #91

And he made some of them permanent in the "Fiscal Cliff" scam. n/t Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #92

You are exactly correct.........nt Enthusiast Aug 2013 #89

But many are employees. Enthusiast Aug 2013 #87

Well said! emsimon33 Aug 2013 #90

New here as a poster Ocelot Aug 2013 #186

What an asshole. Joe Shlabotnik Aug 2013 #23

Thank you; I appreciate your contributions as well! n/t Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #26

the juror was probably a real pro...... dtom67 Aug 2013 #31

Cha-ching. Sheesh! Jackpine Radical Aug 2013 #152

not a real guess... dtom67 Aug 2013 #157

Pwned. Jackpine Radical Aug 2013 #159

:D Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #171

I am the Leser of two evils.... dtom67 Aug 2013 #172

you know what they say... FirstLight Aug 2013 #25

Thanks! Some of them are actually a bit frightening :( Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #29

Heh! Control-Z Aug 2013 #46

I've tried to lay off of the President... dtom67 Aug 2013 #27

Thanks; agreed and agreed and agreed again! n/t Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #30

Truth doesn't have a side, your right . orpupilofnature57 Aug 2013 #151

That juror should be tombstoned. cui bono Aug 2013 #32

This message was self-deleted by its author mother earth Aug 2013 #33

so this juror admits prejudice against you grasswire Aug 2013 #35

At first they're honest and learn it's a mistake, then use cannier methods. :( Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #117

I've received messages from assholes like that as well ZRT2209 Aug 2013 #36

There must be a very fine line between free speech and censorship or something; Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #118

They can try to suppress the truth . . . markpkessinger Aug 2013 #37

Thanks Mark; trying to rise above. Solidarity! n/t Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #119

FWWM, there are those like Winston Smith for whom the sturggle is over...... DeSwiss Aug 2013 #38

Great observations and I agree. People cling to known structure in both political parties Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #120

Maybe one day we'll be able to alert on a jury member. wtmusic Aug 2013 #41

Definitely agreed. It's an idea very worthy of consideration since Meta passed. n/t Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #121

You can alert on juror comments and in this case fwwm should do so. Warren Stupidity Aug 2013 #160

Thanks, didn't know that. wtmusic Aug 2013 #163

Aww. Drunken Irishman Aug 2013 #42

Well, you know how it goes. NYC_SKP Aug 2013 #79

So how do you feel about Juror #5's explanation? n/t cui bono Aug 2013 #96

Pathetic, rude and mean. I'd pull their juror eligibility. I like the DU member Fire Walk With Me. NYC_SKP Aug 2013 #97

Thanks for your honest answer. cui bono Aug 2013 #100

I think we agree more than disagree. NYC_SKP Aug 2013 #102

I've been beenin'! haha. Drunken Irishman Aug 2013 #106

I supported Kucinich so I know how you feel. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2013 #43

(chuckle) :) Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #124

The jury system as it stands The Wizard Aug 2013 #45

They added Unrec, they killed Meta, they've polluted the Jury system... Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #126

J would bet that if you could know. zeemike Aug 2013 #47

Thank you very much. My skin is not incredibly thick and I doubt I'd like myself much if it were. Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #127

If I may make an observation Rain Mcloud Aug 2013 #48

As there are trolls here from RW message boards, certainly there are those here simply to Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #128

I am sorry for what they done to you,Bro. Rain Mcloud Aug 2013 #161

I usually make a point of reading your posts 2naSalit Aug 2013 #49

Thanks; I appreciate it. Best to you! n/t Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #129

More evidence that the jury system is fucked up. The irony of jurer 5. Jurer 5 should be alerted on L0oniX Aug 2013 #51

Rules, LOL railsback Aug 2013 #76

The jury system can be manipulated. RC Aug 2013 #112

Jury transaparency. Remove the anonymous Jurer 1-6 , use DU member names and watch what happens. L0oniX Aug 2013 #113

I can see the fanatics adding to their list of enemies with that, for later pile ons. RC Aug 2013 #114

Add a "alert on a jurer" feature where the jurer can get banned from duty. L0oniX Aug 2013 #115

That would be a good start. RC Aug 2013 #116

I agree that things are unDemocratic and that if user names were included, it would be different. Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #130

I appreciate your posts Phlem Aug 2013 #55

Thank you for the support and your work towards maintaining the presence of all voices Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #131

Methinks that Juror #5 protests too much... truth2power Aug 2013 #58

Perhaps :) There is a definite, orchestrated attempt to "weed out" the voices of which they do not Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #132

Yes, the name-calling does get to some people. I wouldn't even bother alerting on it, though... truth2power Aug 2013 #155

Skinner got what he wanted, IMO: an echo chamber of BOG Demeter Aug 2013 #60

Hear! Hear! nt snappyturtle Aug 2013 #66

I'm really hoping you're wrong about Skinner and his plans for the forum. I hope that it is terribly Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #133

Some people can't handle the truth. limpyhobbler Aug 2013 #63

Which is decided unDemocratic, innit. :( Thanks for your work limpyhobbler. n/t Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #134

K&R Twice in as many days two of my favorite posters, FWWM being one, snappyturtle Aug 2013 #64

Thanks snappyturtle. It's not easy on the personal level. But as you so well describe, it's required Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #135

I've had the same thing happen. I stated FACTS and the haters couldn't take it. LaydeeBug Aug 2013 #67

Thanks. You'd hope that on a left-wing board or group or political party, there wouldn't BE Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #136

You are most certainly welcome. Haters are gonna hate, honey, it's what they *do* LaydeeBug Aug 2013 #168

I have to agree with you. From what you post I'd have to say you were hit by lightening twice. marble falls Aug 2013 #68

Then this OP was alerted upon (yeah, by a member of this group, sure). :( Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #137

How did the jury fall? marble falls Aug 2013 #166

Let it stand: Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #173

Mission Statement OmahaBlueDog Aug 2013 #69

Haters gonna alert on your post ;) Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #138

Great sentiments. marble falls Aug 2013 #167

I'm not fond of the "Gish Gallop" bhikkhu Aug 2013 #70

There is a technique called "dictionary flaming" where a posted presents many points Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #139

That's not an appropriate message whether you are a Koch propagandist or not Renew Deal Aug 2013 #73

"Crazy homeless person" is a compliment around here. napoleon_in_rags Aug 2013 #77

Interesting, thank you :) I've never "fit in" and doubt I ever will so I'll suppose that it's to be Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #140

Right on! Totally. napoleon_in_rags Aug 2013 #169

Keep up the good work. JEB Aug 2013 #78

Thank you. Here's hoping sanity prevails and inconvenient truths "are allowed". n/t Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #141

If someone agreed summer-hazz Aug 2013 #80

Agreed! And I'd vote for Warrren as well! n/t Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #142

Thank you FWWM summer-hazz Aug 2013 #192

Juror #5 was out of order--there is no excuse for that type of explanation emsimon33 Aug 2013 #81

Al Gore with his Inconvenient Truth was shunned...why "they" do this is beyond me. Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #143

Name calling and not being willing to at least listen to the other side never help emsimon33 Aug 2013 #179

You are a righteous dude. Enthusiast Aug 2013 #82

Thanks. I agree that bullying and targeting are NOT liberal/democratic values. n/t Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #144

I was actually the only juror who didn't vote to hide your other post BainsBane Aug 2013 #93

This OP was alerted, jury voted to LEAVE IT 2-4. Waiting For Everyman Aug 2013 #94

I was Juror #5 thelordofhell Aug 2013 #99

Thank you! Meta became its own circle of hell after a while, with Purity Control perched therein Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #123

wrong BainsBane Aug 2013 #103

+1 n/t jaysunb Aug 2013 #191

"Good Lord" redux. (facepalm) Thank you! Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #122

Well I just came upon the post I believe you to be talking about cui bono Aug 2013 #98

I think I found it bananas Aug 2013 #105

Ah... I thought it was this thread: cui bono Aug 2013 #154

Drunken Irishman makes it clear he has no compassion for the homeless or "mentally weak" bananas Aug 2013 #107

It sucks for someone to use their Jury powers that way: i.e. to be abusive, hateful, name calling 99th_Monkey Aug 2013 #104

They are apparently picking at me using something I dislike- name-calling, personal attacks, etc. Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #145

I, for one, enjoy reading your posts. LeftofObama Aug 2013 #109

Thank you. It's important because it's plainly obvious some wish certain truths not be told. Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #146

Personally attacking the poster by a jury member newfie11 Aug 2013 #110

I believe it's a planned set of personal attacks, all very similar in being dismissive, name-calling Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #147

It is not in anyway the Liberals or Democrats doing that, or are the problem. RC Aug 2013 #165

Could not agree with you more! marew Aug 2013 #111

Thanks! n/t Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #148

It looks to me like a coordinated effort. After Meta was closed down because the bullies rhett o rick Aug 2013 #125

Agreed on all counts. And it ain't very Democratic is it. :( Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #149

Welcome to the club. donco Aug 2013 #150

The principle of the thing is scary. Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #185

The response from #5 is over the top. reusrename Aug 2013 #156

"If the future of America is given to them, watch it go over Niagara Falls..." ~Dead Kennedys Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #184

We'll never know for sure, but could this be Juror #5? AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #158

:) Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #182

I enjoy reading your posts Lifelong Protester Aug 2013 #164

I've set up some chairs and a reading lamp and air conditioning and even a snack bar Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #181

I always read your OP's. Utopian Leftist Aug 2013 #174

Please post more. It is needed most significantly. Peace...n/t Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #180

Holy Shit what a nasty comment! k&r for your OP though. Little Star Aug 2013 #175

I'd expect such from a RW board or source. n/t Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #178

I know, but still that was really, really nasty. Little Star Aug 2013 #183

Isn't it against the DU bylaws to insult other DU members? I count approximately 5 insults in that Lint Head Aug 2013 #176

Yesterday I was specifically, personally insulted by at least five different DUers. Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #177

It spreads the lotion on its' skin Cronus Protagonist Aug 2013 #187

that the JS around here is screwed is one of the first things I noticed stupidicus Aug 2013 #188

Personally, I don't bother to alert on ad hominem Jackpine Radical Aug 2013 #189

I'm a fan of yours. freedom fighter jh Aug 2013 #190

I hope you alerted on the jury results - that would take it to straight to the Admins. scarletwoman Aug 2013 #193

Fire Walk With Me PPR'd Hissyspit Aug 2013 #194

Do you know why? nm rhett o rick Aug 2013 #195

This message was self-deleted by its author Hissyspit Aug 2013 #196

Skinner: "Anti-Semite" Hissyspit Aug 2013 #197

It's about dayum time Cali_Democrat Aug 2013 #198

This crazy, you mean?: Hissyspit Aug 2013 #199

??? Cali_Democrat Aug 2013 #200

No zappaman Aug 2013 #201

Some how I knew you would be celebrating. No place for those that dont agree. nm rhett o rick Aug 2013 #203

Seems like this site is no place for anti-semitism either. zappaman Aug 2013 #204

Your ridicule and grave dancing is about as low as you can get. rhett o rick Aug 2013 #207

Pointing out the poster you are defending was nuked for being an anti-semite zappaman Aug 2013 #209

Go ahead and ridicule and mock. And as far as him being anti-semitic, I dont rhett o rick Aug 2013 #211

Hey there, fellow imbecile! truedelphi Aug 2013 #205

You do know he was PPR'd. For being anti-semitic of all things. How ironic. nm rhett o rick Aug 2013 #206

What is PPR'd?? Really don't know. truedelphi Aug 2013 #208

Posting Privileges Revoked zappaman Aug 2013 #210

Beware, "They are out in force". They are looking to purify DU. Smite those that speak out. nm rhett o rick Aug 2013 #212

Smite those that are anti Semites. zappaman Aug 2013 #213

This message was self-deleted by its author Turborama Aug 2013 #215

Pointless Turborama Aug 2013 #216

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