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112. The jury system can be manipulated.

Sun Aug 25, 2013, 10:13 AM

Aug 2013

There has been a another extremist group around here that used to do it. All it takes is an understand how the Jury system works and some friends. DU has its share of one issue fanatics. Reality, truth and facts do not persuade them.
There was another group, up until a few months a ago doing this. A couple of high profile people left and things settled down for a while. Now another group is rising up to full th vacuum.

Part of the answer is to be more selective on who can be a juror. But basing it on the number posts hidden will only make things worse, as the attack on Fire Walk shows.
I have an answer, but it probably won't fly very well and I am not in charge. But what do I know? I am a Left of Center Liberal, who knows FireWalk With Me, is one of the more mature, thoughtful members of DU. Unlike those who attack us for not being fanatical enough on their single issue du jour.

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Good LORD, they're out in force. [View all] Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 OP

Win some, lose some. Just Saying Aug 2013 #1

I'll only do it when it's absolutely blatant and useless to any conversation. Which of course is not Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #2

I am sorry for this, FWWM. roguevalley Aug 2013 #101

I Appreciate Your Contributions - Please Keep Posting cantbeserious Aug 2013 #3

Thanks; I know it means I'm doing something right, but this is what I'd expect from a RW Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #5

same here - let fly Supersedeas Aug 2013 #54

I hope it wasn't one of the great posts involving the 1% orpupilofnature57 Aug 2013 #4

That's what's upset them; I was hidden in a Probama thread for stating facts regarding Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #8

Or Liberty, the Freedom to tell the Truth . orpupilofnature57 Aug 2013 #16

That's a very common post creeksneakers2 Aug 2013 #34

Was it a BOG thread? OnyxCollie Aug 2013 #53

:) I've never posted there although it's SOOOOO tempting. It's unbelievable. Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #62

I didn't realize it was a BOG thread when I posted. OnyxCollie Aug 2013 #72

I think I only posted there once, by accident-- truebluegreen Aug 2013 #75

I'm with you. Enthusiast Aug 2013 #84

And yet those are the same people who call anyone criticizing the NSA cui bono Aug 2013 #95

same DUer blocked me for a "multi-dimensional chess game" post - it was about a DrDan Aug 2013 #108

This message was self-deleted by its author bahrbearian Aug 2013 #153

In the BOG, a person can be blocked if they say something positive about a position taken by Obama - AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #162

I remember that guy, the 2008 Obama for whom I voted. Wonder what happened to him. ;) n/t Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #170

As Democrats, I would hope that we would not follow blindly emsimon33 Aug 2013 #83

Yes, the "alert system" is starting to become stacked DontTreadOnMe Aug 2013 #6

It isn't perfect Mz Pip Aug 2013 #71

I agree with you emsimon33 Aug 2013 #85

They are desperate. Keep the posts coming. n/t n2doc Aug 2013 #7

Thanks. These are facts; we shouldn't even be arguing them, much less shouting them down Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #9

Juror #5 is a f***ing COWARD Skittles Aug 2013 #10

Thank you Skittles. Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #11

Actually, having presented such an inappropriate explanation, Juror #5 should be banned from ever be emsimon33 Aug 2013 #86

K&R for you MotherPetrie Aug 2013 #12

Thank you. n/t Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #13

That juror needs to get an alert. brer cat Aug 2013 #14

Thanks. I've posted it in the ATA section. n/t Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #15

What is ATA? n/t cui bono Aug 2013 #44

Ask the Administrators. OnyxCollie Aug 2013 #56

Good. DU doesn't need jurors who vote for/against someone "on principle". pacalo Aug 2013 #74

I agree. juajen Aug 2013 #50

I agree. The explanation was way out of line emsimon33 Aug 2013 #88

I am sorry this happened, FWWM. Place has definitely changed in the last 10 years, Mnemosyne Aug 2013 #17

KnR .... I had a similar experience alittlelark Aug 2013 #18

Sorry to hear it. I can't believe we'd have such trouble in an "underground" forum. n/t Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #19

k and r--some of us appreciate the information and insight you bring. niyad Aug 2013 #20

Thanks. Not "democratic" much, is it? Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #22

not democratic, not rational, not logical--just pure nonsense. will be fun to see if juror 5 niyad Aug 2013 #28

No, not democratic, and I among others have noticed that DUers, over the years, have Nay Aug 2013 #59

Thank you, and I fear that you are correct. n/t Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #65

I think that some here speak a little too harshly of Obama. Blanks Aug 2013 #202

They're getting very desperate Hydra Aug 2013 #21

Agreed- the RW mentality is here :( Peace... Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #24

these people are true RW, regardless of what they are calling themselves DJ13 Aug 2013 #39

When doesn't the 1% win? Hydra Aug 2013 #40

I bet a majority of Obama voters in 08 thought the 1% wouldn't be the winners when he won DJ13 Aug 2013 #52

I'm sure you're right Hydra Aug 2013 #57

I'm if full agreement DJ13 Aug 2013 #61

Voluntarily extended the Bush tax cuts. Enthusiast Aug 2013 #91

And he made some of them permanent in the "Fiscal Cliff" scam. n/t Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #92

You are exactly correct.........nt Enthusiast Aug 2013 #89

But many are employees. Enthusiast Aug 2013 #87

Well said! emsimon33 Aug 2013 #90

New here as a poster Ocelot Aug 2013 #186

What an asshole. Joe Shlabotnik Aug 2013 #23

Thank you; I appreciate your contributions as well! n/t Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #26

the juror was probably a real pro...... dtom67 Aug 2013 #31

Cha-ching. Sheesh! Jackpine Radical Aug 2013 #152

not a real guess... dtom67 Aug 2013 #157

Pwned. Jackpine Radical Aug 2013 #159

:D Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #171

I am the Leser of two evils.... dtom67 Aug 2013 #172

you know what they say... FirstLight Aug 2013 #25

Thanks! Some of them are actually a bit frightening :( Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #29

Heh! Control-Z Aug 2013 #46

I've tried to lay off of the President... dtom67 Aug 2013 #27

Thanks; agreed and agreed and agreed again! n/t Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #30

Truth doesn't have a side, your right . orpupilofnature57 Aug 2013 #151

That juror should be tombstoned. cui bono Aug 2013 #32

This message was self-deleted by its author mother earth Aug 2013 #33

so this juror admits prejudice against you grasswire Aug 2013 #35

At first they're honest and learn it's a mistake, then use cannier methods. :( Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #117

I've received messages from assholes like that as well ZRT2209 Aug 2013 #36

There must be a very fine line between free speech and censorship or something; Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #118

They can try to suppress the truth . . . markpkessinger Aug 2013 #37

Thanks Mark; trying to rise above. Solidarity! n/t Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #119

FWWM, there are those like Winston Smith for whom the sturggle is over...... DeSwiss Aug 2013 #38

Great observations and I agree. People cling to known structure in both political parties Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #120

Maybe one day we'll be able to alert on a jury member. wtmusic Aug 2013 #41

Definitely agreed. It's an idea very worthy of consideration since Meta passed. n/t Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #121

You can alert on juror comments and in this case fwwm should do so. Warren Stupidity Aug 2013 #160

Thanks, didn't know that. wtmusic Aug 2013 #163

Aww. Drunken Irishman Aug 2013 #42

Well, you know how it goes. NYC_SKP Aug 2013 #79

So how do you feel about Juror #5's explanation? n/t cui bono Aug 2013 #96

Pathetic, rude and mean. I'd pull their juror eligibility. I like the DU member Fire Walk With Me. NYC_SKP Aug 2013 #97

Thanks for your honest answer. cui bono Aug 2013 #100

I think we agree more than disagree. NYC_SKP Aug 2013 #102

I've been beenin'! haha. Drunken Irishman Aug 2013 #106

I supported Kucinich so I know how you feel. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2013 #43

(chuckle) :) Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #124

The jury system as it stands The Wizard Aug 2013 #45

They added Unrec, they killed Meta, they've polluted the Jury system... Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #126

J would bet that if you could know. zeemike Aug 2013 #47

Thank you very much. My skin is not incredibly thick and I doubt I'd like myself much if it were. Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #127

If I may make an observation Rain Mcloud Aug 2013 #48

As there are trolls here from RW message boards, certainly there are those here simply to Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #128

I am sorry for what they done to you,Bro. Rain Mcloud Aug 2013 #161

I usually make a point of reading your posts 2naSalit Aug 2013 #49

Thanks; I appreciate it. Best to you! n/t Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #129

More evidence that the jury system is fucked up. The irony of jurer 5. Jurer 5 should be alerted on L0oniX Aug 2013 #51

Rules, LOL railsback Aug 2013 #76

The jury system can be manipulated. RC Aug 2013 #112

Jury transaparency. Remove the anonymous Jurer 1-6 , use DU member names and watch what happens. L0oniX Aug 2013 #113

I can see the fanatics adding to their list of enemies with that, for later pile ons. RC Aug 2013 #114

Add a "alert on a jurer" feature where the jurer can get banned from duty. L0oniX Aug 2013 #115

That would be a good start. RC Aug 2013 #116

I agree that things are unDemocratic and that if user names were included, it would be different. Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #130

I appreciate your posts Phlem Aug 2013 #55

Thank you for the support and your work towards maintaining the presence of all voices Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #131

Methinks that Juror #5 protests too much... truth2power Aug 2013 #58

Perhaps :) There is a definite, orchestrated attempt to "weed out" the voices of which they do not Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #132

Yes, the name-calling does get to some people. I wouldn't even bother alerting on it, though... truth2power Aug 2013 #155

Skinner got what he wanted, IMO: an echo chamber of BOG Demeter Aug 2013 #60

Hear! Hear! nt snappyturtle Aug 2013 #66

I'm really hoping you're wrong about Skinner and his plans for the forum. I hope that it is terribly Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #133

Some people can't handle the truth. limpyhobbler Aug 2013 #63

Which is decided unDemocratic, innit. :( Thanks for your work limpyhobbler. n/t Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #134

K&R Twice in as many days two of my favorite posters, FWWM being one, snappyturtle Aug 2013 #64

Thanks snappyturtle. It's not easy on the personal level. But as you so well describe, it's required Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #135

I've had the same thing happen. I stated FACTS and the haters couldn't take it. LaydeeBug Aug 2013 #67

Thanks. You'd hope that on a left-wing board or group or political party, there wouldn't BE Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #136

You are most certainly welcome. Haters are gonna hate, honey, it's what they *do* LaydeeBug Aug 2013 #168

I have to agree with you. From what you post I'd have to say you were hit by lightening twice. marble falls Aug 2013 #68

Then this OP was alerted upon (yeah, by a member of this group, sure). :( Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #137

How did the jury fall? marble falls Aug 2013 #166

Let it stand: Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #173

Mission Statement OmahaBlueDog Aug 2013 #69

Haters gonna alert on your post ;) Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #138

Great sentiments. marble falls Aug 2013 #167

I'm not fond of the "Gish Gallop" bhikkhu Aug 2013 #70

There is a technique called "dictionary flaming" where a posted presents many points Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #139

That's not an appropriate message whether you are a Koch propagandist or not Renew Deal Aug 2013 #73

"Crazy homeless person" is a compliment around here. napoleon_in_rags Aug 2013 #77

Interesting, thank you :) I've never "fit in" and doubt I ever will so I'll suppose that it's to be Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #140

Right on! Totally. napoleon_in_rags Aug 2013 #169

Keep up the good work. JEB Aug 2013 #78

Thank you. Here's hoping sanity prevails and inconvenient truths "are allowed". n/t Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #141

If someone agreed summer-hazz Aug 2013 #80

Agreed! And I'd vote for Warrren as well! n/t Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #142

Thank you FWWM summer-hazz Aug 2013 #192

Juror #5 was out of order--there is no excuse for that type of explanation emsimon33 Aug 2013 #81

Al Gore with his Inconvenient Truth was shunned...why "they" do this is beyond me. Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #143

Name calling and not being willing to at least listen to the other side never help emsimon33 Aug 2013 #179

You are a righteous dude. Enthusiast Aug 2013 #82

Thanks. I agree that bullying and targeting are NOT liberal/democratic values. n/t Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #144

I was actually the only juror who didn't vote to hide your other post BainsBane Aug 2013 #93

This OP was alerted, jury voted to LEAVE IT 2-4. Waiting For Everyman Aug 2013 #94

I was Juror #5 thelordofhell Aug 2013 #99

Thank you! Meta became its own circle of hell after a while, with Purity Control perched therein Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #123

wrong BainsBane Aug 2013 #103

+1 n/t jaysunb Aug 2013 #191

"Good Lord" redux. (facepalm) Thank you! Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #122

Well I just came upon the post I believe you to be talking about cui bono Aug 2013 #98

I think I found it bananas Aug 2013 #105

Ah... I thought it was this thread: cui bono Aug 2013 #154

Drunken Irishman makes it clear he has no compassion for the homeless or "mentally weak" bananas Aug 2013 #107

It sucks for someone to use their Jury powers that way: i.e. to be abusive, hateful, name calling 99th_Monkey Aug 2013 #104

They are apparently picking at me using something I dislike- name-calling, personal attacks, etc. Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #145

I, for one, enjoy reading your posts. LeftofObama Aug 2013 #109

Thank you. It's important because it's plainly obvious some wish certain truths not be told. Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #146

Personally attacking the poster by a jury member newfie11 Aug 2013 #110

I believe it's a planned set of personal attacks, all very similar in being dismissive, name-calling Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #147

It is not in anyway the Liberals or Democrats doing that, or are the problem. RC Aug 2013 #165

Could not agree with you more! marew Aug 2013 #111

Thanks! n/t Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #148

It looks to me like a coordinated effort. After Meta was closed down because the bullies rhett o rick Aug 2013 #125

Agreed on all counts. And it ain't very Democratic is it. :( Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #149

Welcome to the club. donco Aug 2013 #150

The principle of the thing is scary. Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #185

The response from #5 is over the top. reusrename Aug 2013 #156

"If the future of America is given to them, watch it go over Niagara Falls..." ~Dead Kennedys Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #184

We'll never know for sure, but could this be Juror #5? AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #158

:) Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #182

I enjoy reading your posts Lifelong Protester Aug 2013 #164

I've set up some chairs and a reading lamp and air conditioning and even a snack bar Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #181

I always read your OP's. Utopian Leftist Aug 2013 #174

Please post more. It is needed most significantly. Peace...n/t Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #180

Holy Shit what a nasty comment! k&r for your OP though. Little Star Aug 2013 #175

I'd expect such from a RW board or source. n/t Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #178

I know, but still that was really, really nasty. Little Star Aug 2013 #183

Isn't it against the DU bylaws to insult other DU members? I count approximately 5 insults in that Lint Head Aug 2013 #176

Yesterday I was specifically, personally insulted by at least five different DUers. Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #177

It spreads the lotion on its' skin Cronus Protagonist Aug 2013 #187

that the JS around here is screwed is one of the first things I noticed stupidicus Aug 2013 #188

Personally, I don't bother to alert on ad hominem Jackpine Radical Aug 2013 #189

I'm a fan of yours. freedom fighter jh Aug 2013 #190

I hope you alerted on the jury results - that would take it to straight to the Admins. scarletwoman Aug 2013 #193

Fire Walk With Me PPR'd Hissyspit Aug 2013 #194

Do you know why? nm rhett o rick Aug 2013 #195

This message was self-deleted by its author Hissyspit Aug 2013 #196

Skinner: "Anti-Semite" Hissyspit Aug 2013 #197

It's about dayum time Cali_Democrat Aug 2013 #198

This crazy, you mean?: Hissyspit Aug 2013 #199

??? Cali_Democrat Aug 2013 #200

No zappaman Aug 2013 #201

Some how I knew you would be celebrating. No place for those that dont agree. nm rhett o rick Aug 2013 #203

Seems like this site is no place for anti-semitism either. zappaman Aug 2013 #204

Your ridicule and grave dancing is about as low as you can get. rhett o rick Aug 2013 #207

Pointing out the poster you are defending was nuked for being an anti-semite zappaman Aug 2013 #209

Go ahead and ridicule and mock. And as far as him being anti-semitic, I dont rhett o rick Aug 2013 #211

Hey there, fellow imbecile! truedelphi Aug 2013 #205

You do know he was PPR'd. For being anti-semitic of all things. How ironic. nm rhett o rick Aug 2013 #206

What is PPR'd?? Really don't know. truedelphi Aug 2013 #208

Posting Privileges Revoked zappaman Aug 2013 #210

Beware, "They are out in force". They are looking to purify DU. Smite those that speak out. nm rhett o rick Aug 2013 #212

Smite those that are anti Semites. zappaman Aug 2013 #213

This message was self-deleted by its author Turborama Aug 2013 #215

Pointless Turborama Aug 2013 #216

Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2013 #214