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apocalypsehow

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31. Yes, you did move the goalposts and followed the so-moving up with more meaningless jazz:
Sun Mar 24, 2013, 06:31 PM
Mar 2013
"You just never read my original post. The police have my pistol serial numbers on file. But that isn't what you mean by "registration" is it?"

1. Yes I did. 2. That's nice. 3. Nope.

"Wow! So convincing"

You were the one made an assertion without the slightest evidence to support it, to wit: "But the auto registration argument does fall apart," and then breezed on into another subject (in an attempt to change it).

But, one more time: No, it doesn't.

"People will only comply with laws they find just or ethical. It's quite telling that you used the example you chose. It says a lot about you. I would use the example of the lunch counter sit-ins, civil non-compliance to break an unjust law. Or simply choosing to not comply with a seat arrangement. Or the fact that my Great Grandmother sold birth control by going door to door as if she was an Avon lady. Basically, a doctor would ask a woman if she wanted more children and if she said no, he'd dispatch a woman like my great grandmother to covertly sell and teach the use of birth control. If a law was passed that stated that I had to report to authorities any Hispanics that were suspected of being undocumented immigrants, I would simple not comply and ignore the law."

1. Nope: in a democracy, we comply with the laws period, or we accept the consequences of breaking them. What people do in a democratic country (small "D" for the form of government) is work to change the laws we dislike through petitioning our legislators, or supporting candidates for office that agree with our views, or speaking out. When civil disobedience is invoked to call public attention to a set of laws that may be unjust, part of the package that goes with that is sacrificing the verdict of the moment for the verdict of history. On a side note: that you would attempt to link owning an assault rifle with voting rights or desegregation efforts is simply obscene.
2. Cool story, Bro.
3. Non-responsive personal attack, and attempt at false linkage: not worth replying to.

"Most places that sell ammo don't allow guns to be carried inside, like a sports store. You're obviously not a gun owner."

1. Even if true, So what? But it's NOT true: neither Wal Mart nor any of the chain sporting goods stores I've ever seen have the "no guns" sign up prohibiting concealed carry; further, the last gun store I was in people were toting guns in and out openly for the on-duty gunsmith to look at, to offer for trade, etc. You're obviously not a gun owner. 2. Believe what you wish.

"So you intend to use registration to discourage gun ownership. That's why so many gun owners so vehemently oppose it. The base proposal of registration is just to ensure that a gun doesn't fall into criminal hands, but then it gets taken to extreme positions to price out or eliminate certain types. It would be amazing to me that a gun owner wouldn't understand that, BUT"

1. No: it would be used to keep track of all the deadly little toys floating around American society, so that when one was misused, it could be traced to it's errant owner; or to remove same from the vicinity of men who were domestic violence offenders, or, say, just convicted of a felony. See how that works? ( )
2. I don't care how many pro-NRA "enthusiasts" oppose sensible gun legislation.
3. Non-responsive nonsense.
4. Ditto.

"You're not a gun owner. The signature line gives it away. It's obvious that you are not one, so spare me the lie."

1. Believe what you wish. 2. My sig line is a dandy, and 100% spot-on to boot - that's why it invokes such rage from pro-NRA boosters. 3. See #1.

There: I believe that pretty much puts paid to the tab, as the saying goes.

All too easy.
An excellent point! Rec. With all/most of jmg257 Mar 2013 #1
Recomended defacto7 Mar 2013 #2
I disagree with your characterization of '1%' or 'loonies' being paranoid about this issue. AtheistCrusader Mar 2013 #3
Well, you've sort of proven my point. DanTex Mar 2013 #4
I don't disagree the response is irrational. AtheistCrusader Mar 2013 #5
Yes, I agree it's more than 1% -- that was hyperbole. DanTex Mar 2013 #6
I accept the revised characterization. AtheistCrusader Mar 2013 #7
I'd be willing to re-open NFA if it meant getting all guns registered. DanTex Mar 2013 #8
Handguns would be a great start at least. AtheistCrusader Mar 2013 #9
Not only a great start, safeinOhio Mar 2013 #10
The 1986 GOPA exempts the NFA registry. AtheistCrusader Mar 2013 #11
Seems like marions ghost Mar 2013 #49
Add to this the confiscation of weapons after Katrina. nt Mojorabbit Mar 2013 #12
One thing to keep in mind is that gun owners fear paying expensive fees each year with registration NutmegYankee Mar 2013 #13
So? Get rid of them. If you have a dog, you have to purchase a liscence for EACH ONE graham4anything Mar 2013 #14
^^THIS^^ is why gun owners oppose registration. NutmegYankee Mar 2013 #15
So? So what. The entire issue needs to be reframed. And a new SCOTUS to reinterpret. graham4anything Mar 2013 #16
LOL NutmegYankee Mar 2013 #17
Guns are the authoritarian's dreams as you crudely said. graham4anything Mar 2013 #18
There are two sides to this, moral and political. DanTex Mar 2013 #48
Guns cost society much much more marions ghost Mar 2013 #50
I bought a new car two weeks ago and - guess what! - the state is now requiring me to register and apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #19
This message was self-deleted by its author NutmegYankee Mar 2013 #20
No, it's not a false analogy. I purchased an item the state has determined needs to be kept track of apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #21
This message was self-deleted by its author NutmegYankee Mar 2013 #22
How common actually is it to have a truck that is "kept on the farm" ??? ellisonz Mar 2013 #23
This message was self-deleted by its author NutmegYankee Mar 2013 #24
okay - so you agree that it's not the norm and that for the most part people don't do this? ellisonz Mar 2013 #25
This message was self-deleted by its author NutmegYankee Mar 2013 #26
You have to register a car to use it on public roads. b_in_AK Mar 2013 #27
Now you shift the goalposts. apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #28
This message was self-deleted by its author NutmegYankee Mar 2013 #29
Yes, you did move the goalposts and followed the so-moving up with more meaningless jazz: apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #31
This message was self-deleted by its author NutmegYankee Mar 2013 #32
Your concession, of sorts, is duly noted. n/t. apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #33
This message was self-deleted by its author NutmegYankee Mar 2013 #34
Except, it's not a "thought": it's been proven. The reason you chose not to reply to #31 apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #36
This message was self-deleted by its author NutmegYankee Mar 2013 #39
Sure you did. n/t. apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #41
The FULL QUOTE please, not your dishonest parsing of it: apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #35
This message was self-deleted by its author NutmegYankee Mar 2013 #37
You start to catch on! I knew you could do it! apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #38
By-the-bye, for those keeping count: "But I will finish with this response," Nutmeg Yankee, #32. apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #40
He saw the best bet in this lop-sided "debate" he was losing was to self-delete and Run! Run! Run! apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #43
I've blocked this poster. ellisonz Mar 2013 #44
+1000. apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #53
No, it's not. This is 2013, not 1913. Post links, please, proving the following assertions: apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #42
Since felons cannot be compelled to register their guns GoldenEagle16 Mar 2013 #30
^^^^ ellisonz Mar 2013 #45
Don't put him on ignore or you'll never be on his jury. SunSeeker Mar 2013 #46
Rather he's been blocked from the group ellisonz Mar 2013 #47
Good. SunSeeker Mar 2013 #51
Our goal is to not have that happen here... ellisonz Mar 2013 #52
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