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DanTex

(20,709 posts)
48. There are two sides to this, moral and political.
Mon Mar 25, 2013, 07:24 AM
Mar 2013

From a moral perspective, I think it is right for gun owners to pay the cost of registering their guns. In fact, I think guns and ammo should be taxed above and beyond registration costs, in order to pay for the costs to society of gun violence. This would be an externality tax, similar to taxing carbon emissions. If the tax is so high that it dissuades some people from owning a gun, that is a good thing, in the same way that if a carbon tax gets more people to buy hybrids or carpool or ride bikes, that is part of the goal.

From a political perspective, I keep hearing over and over that "gun owners think X", but then the actual polls tell a different story. Almost half of gun owners support registration, along with about 70% of the general public. For reference, 70% is about the fraction of Americans that believe Obama was born in the US. So, sure, maybe with some effort we could increase support for registration to, say, 75%, but what is much more important is to mobilize the 70% majority that already exists.

In short, trying to talk sense to militant gun fanatics is not the path to sensible gun laws.

An excellent point! Rec. With all/most of jmg257 Mar 2013 #1
Recomended defacto7 Mar 2013 #2
I disagree with your characterization of '1%' or 'loonies' being paranoid about this issue. AtheistCrusader Mar 2013 #3
Well, you've sort of proven my point. DanTex Mar 2013 #4
I don't disagree the response is irrational. AtheistCrusader Mar 2013 #5
Yes, I agree it's more than 1% -- that was hyperbole. DanTex Mar 2013 #6
I accept the revised characterization. AtheistCrusader Mar 2013 #7
I'd be willing to re-open NFA if it meant getting all guns registered. DanTex Mar 2013 #8
Handguns would be a great start at least. AtheistCrusader Mar 2013 #9
Not only a great start, safeinOhio Mar 2013 #10
The 1986 GOPA exempts the NFA registry. AtheistCrusader Mar 2013 #11
Seems like marions ghost Mar 2013 #49
Add to this the confiscation of weapons after Katrina. nt Mojorabbit Mar 2013 #12
One thing to keep in mind is that gun owners fear paying expensive fees each year with registration NutmegYankee Mar 2013 #13
So? Get rid of them. If you have a dog, you have to purchase a liscence for EACH ONE graham4anything Mar 2013 #14
^^THIS^^ is why gun owners oppose registration. NutmegYankee Mar 2013 #15
So? So what. The entire issue needs to be reframed. And a new SCOTUS to reinterpret. graham4anything Mar 2013 #16
LOL NutmegYankee Mar 2013 #17
Guns are the authoritarian's dreams as you crudely said. graham4anything Mar 2013 #18
There are two sides to this, moral and political. DanTex Mar 2013 #48
Guns cost society much much more marions ghost Mar 2013 #50
I bought a new car two weeks ago and - guess what! - the state is now requiring me to register and apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #19
This message was self-deleted by its author NutmegYankee Mar 2013 #20
No, it's not a false analogy. I purchased an item the state has determined needs to be kept track of apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #21
This message was self-deleted by its author NutmegYankee Mar 2013 #22
How common actually is it to have a truck that is "kept on the farm" ??? ellisonz Mar 2013 #23
This message was self-deleted by its author NutmegYankee Mar 2013 #24
okay - so you agree that it's not the norm and that for the most part people don't do this? ellisonz Mar 2013 #25
This message was self-deleted by its author NutmegYankee Mar 2013 #26
You have to register a car to use it on public roads. b_in_AK Mar 2013 #27
Now you shift the goalposts. apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #28
This message was self-deleted by its author NutmegYankee Mar 2013 #29
Yes, you did move the goalposts and followed the so-moving up with more meaningless jazz: apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #31
This message was self-deleted by its author NutmegYankee Mar 2013 #32
Your concession, of sorts, is duly noted. n/t. apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #33
This message was self-deleted by its author NutmegYankee Mar 2013 #34
Except, it's not a "thought": it's been proven. The reason you chose not to reply to #31 apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #36
This message was self-deleted by its author NutmegYankee Mar 2013 #39
Sure you did. n/t. apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #41
The FULL QUOTE please, not your dishonest parsing of it: apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #35
This message was self-deleted by its author NutmegYankee Mar 2013 #37
You start to catch on! I knew you could do it! apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #38
By-the-bye, for those keeping count: "But I will finish with this response," Nutmeg Yankee, #32. apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #40
He saw the best bet in this lop-sided "debate" he was losing was to self-delete and Run! Run! Run! apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #43
I've blocked this poster. ellisonz Mar 2013 #44
+1000. apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #53
No, it's not. This is 2013, not 1913. Post links, please, proving the following assertions: apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #42
Since felons cannot be compelled to register their guns GoldenEagle16 Mar 2013 #30
^^^^ ellisonz Mar 2013 #45
Don't put him on ignore or you'll never be on his jury. SunSeeker Mar 2013 #46
Rather he's been blocked from the group ellisonz Mar 2013 #47
Good. SunSeeker Mar 2013 #51
Our goal is to not have that happen here... ellisonz Mar 2013 #52
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