Populist Reform of the Democratic Party

demwing

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61. This is not the place to promote NAFTA or the TPP

Mon Jan 5, 2015, 11:49 PM

Jan 2015

present 3rd way policies, or to be dismissive of those in opposition to the former.

Fell free to post that in GD, or the BOG.

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More Reasons to Tell Our President "No TPP" and "No Fast Track" [View all] rhett o rick Jan 2015 OP

K&R.... daleanime Jan 2015 #1

It's not enough to tell the President, or even Congress Demeter Jan 2015 #2

I agree, but the problem is, how do we do this? nm rhett o rick Jan 2015 #5

Writing good, enforceable laws and ENFORCING them! Demeter Jan 2015 #8

The problem is aspirant Jan 2015 #10

The best way to do that is to not buy their stuff. Boycotts work, starve the beast, take away sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #12

I'll drink to this... elzenmahn Jan 2015 #15

Exactly, focus on one at a time. Boycotts are probably the most effective means sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #19

Precisely because boycotts speak the one language these corporate behemoths understand... elzenmahn Jan 2015 #20

Absolutely. What I think should be done is speech not allowed on DU. Corporations have always jwirr Jan 2015 #16

ObamaTrade if you like your job, you can keep your job aspirant Jan 2015 #3

If we like our country, can we keep our country? Jackpine Radical Jan 2015 #4

That's why we invented war, you know Demeter Jan 2015 #6

Oh, yeah, I keep forgetting. Jackpine Radical Jan 2015 #7

War is about keeping, not saving Demeter Jan 2015 #9

Yes. jwirr Jan 2015 #17

This is the 'new war.' pangaia Jan 2015 #11

don't worry, we'll fix it later eom whereisjustice Jan 2015 #13

NAFTA "forced" American workers to compete with Mexican workers, but the sky has not fallen. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #14

If I understand the TPP correctly the corporations that have businesses in Vietnam would then jwirr Jan 2015 #18

I would have to see some direct treaty language to answer that. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #43

Doesn't mean they'd win, and I'll bet when language is released they'll be some Hoyt Jan 2015 #52

Are you supporting the TPP? Are you trying to convince us that it won't be so bad? rhett o rick Jan 2015 #22

I trust the President so of course I support him, I can see some positions opposing a free trade Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #32

This is way more than merely a "free trade agreement". What the President is asking is for us to rhett o rick Jan 2015 #33

No, the other wing does not support those things, silly to say so.....but it makes for better copy. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #34

You claim the "other" wing doesn't support those issues but the facts indicate otherwise. rhett o rick Jan 2015 #35

Personal attack MannyGoldstein Jan 2015 #37

"Populist Reform" should encourage debate, not suppress it, and contextual abuse is what should not Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #41

This is not debate or discussion ... this is a personal attack. wavesofeuphoria Jan 2015 #55

Your condescending use of "lollipops" could perhaps be appropriate if you were referring to the Faryn Balyncd Jan 2015 #39

Your entire premise is in error. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #42

Care to articulate? Faryn Balyncd Jan 2015 #49

This is not the place to promote NAFTA or the TPP demwing Jan 2015 #61

But that's not what trade deals do in terms of wages BrotherIvan Jan 2015 #23

Thanks for sharing the story of what truedelphi Jan 2015 #62

... Phlem Jan 2015 #26

ObamaTrade is not a Populist deal aspirant Jan 2015 #29

First off, NAFTA destroyed US jobs MannyGoldstein Jan 2015 #38

The jobless rate in America today is no worse than the historical average...."lost jobs" are as impossible Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #45

Are you claiming that no jobs were lost by moving manufacturing overseas? nm rhett o rick Jan 2015 #47

Please. What jobs were gained by America, .i.e. meat exports, heavy equipment, aircraft, etc., what was Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #48

Since you continue to provide your argument via questions, we have to guess at your actual rhett o rick Jan 2015 #50

Did you forget that your comment to me was one question? Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #53

And another side-step. I am not using questions to avoid stating my point. In fact rhett o rick Jan 2015 #56

you need to stop being blinded by purty numbers Skittles Jan 2015 #51

Yes, perhaps, "jackshit" does have a technical economic science definition...meaning to ignore jobs Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #54

For those that support the 1% and trickle-down, NAFTA is a huge success. rhett o rick Jan 2015 #57

Right, how can you be "forced" to compete with someone who has your old job? pa28 Jan 2015 #44

"the sky has not fallen" - true, for the 1% demwing Jan 2015 #59

"#8. Wall Street would benefit at the expense of everyone else. Under TPP, governments would be .... Faryn Balyncd Jan 2015 #21

Big Rec! BrotherIvan Jan 2015 #24

It's worse than ignorance. Ignorance can be treated with education. But many Americans rhett o rick Jan 2015 #31

worse than ignorance. If the president told them to give all their money to Jamie Doctor_J Jan 2015 #40

These fucking corporations and their paid off onecaliberal Jan 2015 #25

The kicker: "#10 The TPP has no expiration date, making it virtually impossible to repeal." Faryn Balyncd Jan 2015 #27

^^^ that onecaliberal Jan 2015 #28

kick rec Teamster Jeff Jan 2015 #30

Kicked and recommended! Every progressive DUer should recommend this OP! Enthusiast Jan 2015 #36

I cannot claim to understand all sadoldgirl Jan 2015 #46

Pin of the Week! demwing Jan 2015 #58

Thanks, it's certainly a hot topic. nm rhett o rick Jan 2015 #60

Not that it needs kicking, but I rec and kick this post. nt NYC_SKP Jan 2015 #63