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Populist Reform of the Democratic Party
In reply to the discussion: Soak the Rich? Or Get Our Wealth Back? [View all]1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)25. I think the problem is framing ...
and the tactics presented to address that frame. For example:
The rich discovered it was easier to buy some Congress-Critters, get the restrictions lifted, and steal from the middle and lower classes. This was not growth.
I completely agree; but, the framing of the problem is far too general ... and, more problematic, the solution being proffered is raising taxes or the wealthy and/or corporations. That solution does not directly address the framing of the problem, i.e., the removal of regulations that allow for the looting of the middle and working classes - or, at best, the proffered solution is three (or more) steps away from the problem.
Now, raising taxes will, in fact, reduce the money that the wealthy have to influence the laws that lead to the lifting of the restrictions, that allow for the looting of the middle and working class. All that is true; but, who among the disengaged electorate is going to follow the logic?
Likewise, raising taxes on the wealthy and/or corporations is equidistance from "promoting growth", i.e., raising taxes will, in fact, reduce the money that the wealthy have to influence the laws that lead to the lifting of the restrictions that allow them to sock money away off-shore, rather than, invest it in job creation. All that is true; but, again, who among the disengaged electorate is going to follow the logic?
I agree that infrastructure investment is an/the engine for growth; but, taxing the wealthy and corporations is the wrong framing for attaining that goal. Yes, we can promote increasing taxation, then lobby for the bought and paid for Congress that we lament to allocate that tax revenue to infrastructure investment (I.e., repair projects). But that is widely seen (and spun by the wealthy) as confiscatory, even among the middle and working classes.
Wouldn't the better strategy be to create tax credits for infrastructure repairs investment? Yes, it could very well have the effect of lower the effective tax rate for the wealthy and/or corporations; but, so what ... the revenue would flow into domestic infrastructure repair, and not off-shore bank accounts. And that investment will create jobs, which creates demand, which creates more jobs.
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Unfortuantely, tax monies usually only encourage the political elite to fund new wars.
truedelphi
Mar 2015
#22
So your rationale is to keep taxes on the wealthy low, 'cause government might misuse the money?
Scuba
Mar 2015
#31
"This was not growth." That's correct. It was legalized theft. Hard to tell where ...
Scuba
Mar 2015
#2
There is little difference between a campaign "donation", paying exhorbant fees for speeches or
rhett o rick
Mar 2015
#5
We also need 1) a minimum guaranteed income. 2) Publicly funded health CARE for all. 3) Publicly
Vincardog
Mar 2015
#11
Do you see any hope that any of this will happen? It seems to me that the wealthy have already
Dark n Stormy Knight
Mar 2015
#13
They both amount to the same but the poor rich want sympathy so they are claiming
rhett o rick
Mar 2015
#20
It's a matter of perspective. When the rich steal our wealth they call it good business.
rhett o rick
Mar 2015
#23
Would it turn into another sell/trade credit program like carbon emissions? ~ nt
antiquie
Mar 2015
#27
He isn't talking about framing but selling old conservative snake oil to actually further
TheKentuckian
Mar 2015
#56