Populist Reform of the Democratic Party

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)

39. Making demands without convincing and workable solutions is ...

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 11:52 AM

Mar 2015

shouting into the wind.

Those of us on the Left understand the problem ... it is spelled out in article and OP after article and OP. And as we have seen, simply decrying that the playing field is tilted/rigged in favor of the wealthy, and demanding that it be corrected gets us nowhere towards a/the solution.

What we do not have is a convincingly, workable plan to resolve the problem. The convincing part is mostly a matter of framing the problem and the workable part is equal parts, having a plan that clearly meets the frame AND having a plan that is politically feasible (i.e., cognizant that we live in a "democratic" environment where approximately 47% of the population, including the wealthy, because it is against their interests, and the working class, because they believe the wealthy's frame, oppose changing the system)

Asking for a policy that the Public should then demand
seems like putting the horse before the cart?

Again ... everyone (on the left, and arguably on the right) knows the problem, what we don't have is an action plan (which is more than a policy) for the people to demand.

Basically, we're still at talk/act cross-roads.

Edit history

Please sign in to view edit histories.

57 replies

= new reply since forum marked as read

Highlight:

Soak the Rich? Or Get Our Wealth Back? [View all] rhett o rick Mar 2015 OP

I don't want to soak anyone Sherman A1 Mar 2015 #1

We should tax and tax and tax them until they're only fabulously wealthy. Scuba Mar 2015 #3

Unfortuantely, tax monies usually only encourage the political elite to fund new wars. truedelphi Mar 2015 #22

While those are important considerations salib Mar 2015 #26

So your rationale is to keep taxes on the wealthy low, 'cause government might misuse the money? Scuba Mar 2015 #31

Report after report shows that when our modern government has more money, truedelphi Mar 2015 #48

Hey, at least you stuck to your position. Gotta give you that. Scuba Mar 2015 #49

"This was not growth." That's correct. It was legalized theft. Hard to tell where ... Scuba Mar 2015 #2

There is little difference between a campaign "donation", paying exhorbant fees for speeches or rhett o rick Mar 2015 #5

Exactly, we need a claw back in several ways Warpy Mar 2015 #4

If you are running, you got my vote. nm rhett o rick Mar 2015 #6

/\_/\_This right here_/\_/\ Scuba Mar 2015 #7

Warpy and Scuba for co-president. antiquie Mar 2015 #10

We also need 1) a minimum guaranteed income. 2) Publicly funded health CARE for all. 3) Publicly Vincardog Mar 2015 #11

I like all offerred aspirant Mar 2015 #16

Vote for Warpy! Enthusiast Mar 2015 #12

Do you see any hope that any of this will happen? It seems to me that the wealthy have already Dark n Stormy Knight Mar 2015 #13

Boy you took the words right out of my mouth. n/t. airplaneman Mar 2015 #15

I admire the platform Fairgo Mar 2015 #54

The rich are the ones who soaked us. phantom power Mar 2015 #8

Well, Newest Reality Mar 2015 #9

A heavy brine. Enthusiast Mar 2015 #14

Or... Alkene Mar 2015 #17

Are they equivalent? rock Mar 2015 #18

They both amount to the same but the poor rich want sympathy so they are claiming rhett o rick Mar 2015 #20

I heard an interesting idea on the radio yesterday. world wide wally Mar 2015 #19

It amounts to the same thing, doesn't it? Jack Rabbit Mar 2015 #21

It's a matter of perspective. When the rich steal our wealth they call it good business. rhett o rick Mar 2015 #23

In a real democracy, our perspective is the only one that matters Jack Rabbit Mar 2015 #24

Bahwhahahahah! truedelphi Mar 2015 #50

Wasn't the MOB'S slogan aspirant Mar 2015 #28

I think the problem is framing ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #25

Would it turn into another sell/trade credit program like carbon emissions? ~ nt antiquie Mar 2015 #27

I hadn't thought about that ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #29

Good ideas. antiquie Mar 2015 #30

As I said in another thread ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #32

Isn't this a chicken or the egg conundrum? Cosmic Kitten Mar 2015 #33

I think change will take a large percentage of the populace. antiquie Mar 2015 #34

Yep, Elizabeth Warren is showing the way Cosmic Kitten Mar 2015 #35

Obviously we are not communicating. ~ nt antiquie Mar 2015 #36

So what is your point? Cosmic Kitten Mar 2015 #37

You made it for me. You choose to read the opposite of what I said. antiquie Mar 2015 #38

Seriously? Cosmic Kitten Mar 2015 #40

Making demands without convincing and workable solutions is ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #39

I don't see the "problem" as a lack of a plan Cosmic Kitten Mar 2015 #41

I will repeat for the third time (this time adding emphasis) ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #42

Who needs to be convinced any plan is workable? Cosmic Kitten Mar 2015 #43

Okay ... the non-convincing part is working so well. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #44

What? Cosmic Kitten Mar 2015 #45

Well ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #46

Cool, thanks for focusing this discussion Cosmic Kitten Mar 2015 #47

"IF there was the political will in Congress" ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #53

The IF is ever present given our political/economic climate Cosmic Kitten Mar 2015 #55

He isn't talking about framing but selling old conservative snake oil to actually further TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #56

So sorry I appreciated 1StrongBlackMan comments. antiquie Mar 2015 #57

K&R. JDPriestly Mar 2015 #51

So far, yes..."They've/MSM" has been fredamae Mar 2015 #52