Populist Reform of the Democratic Party

Jim Lane

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45. I agree with the comment so I'll answer, uninvited.

Tue Apr 14, 2015, 10:30 PM

Apr 2015

If Nader had chosen not to run, Al Gore would have become President.

If Nader had chosen to run in the Democratic primaries instead of in the general election, Al Gore would have become President.

In the real world, in which Nader chose to run in the general election, George W. Bush became President.

And, please, if I read one more Naderite response to the argument that Nader didn't have the right to run, I'll lose it. I am not arguing that Nader didn't have the right to run. I have never seen anyone on DU argue that Nader didn't have the right to run.

He also had the right not to run, or to run in the primaries.

As for my first two propositions, we cannot know with certainty the truth of a hypothetical, but the statements are accurate based on polling data that Nader himself released.

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Ready for Hillary? How About a Mass Populist Party Instead? [View all] RiverLover Apr 2015 OP

yes! marym625 Apr 2015 #1

So where are the candidates for this movement? JoePhilly Apr 2015 #2

Read the article, then post. RiverLover Apr 2015 #3

I did ... But I don't see any candidates named .... Who are they? JoePhilly Apr 2015 #5

The author doesn't suggest having a third party by Nov 2016. It says we can't in fact. RiverLover Apr 2015 #8

The author decided to make this an either or proposition. JoePhilly Apr 2015 #10

Says the person complaining rather loudly. cui bono Apr 2015 #21

Snark isn't particularly Populist... Thor_MN Apr 2015 #13

Ralph Nader probably has free time on his hands... Thor_MN Apr 2015 #12

Ralph Nader is an American hero. n/t cui bono Apr 2015 #22

I imagine that GWB and the GOP agree with you on that. n/t Thor_MN Apr 2015 #28

Why do you say that? n/t cui bono Apr 2015 #32

Really? Think about it. n/t Thor_MN Apr 2015 #33

I don't need to. I know what happened. Not sure why you brought it up. n/t cui bono Apr 2015 #34

Not sure why you had to ask then. You replied to me, not the other way around. n/t Thor_MN Apr 2015 #36

I asked because I wanted to know why you said that. You never answered. n/t cui bono Apr 2015 #38

I agree with the comment so I'll answer, uninvited. Jim Lane Apr 2015 #45

Florida chose to not count all the votes. cui bono Apr 2015 #49

Ah, yes, "Gore won." The other rote response. Jim Lane Apr 2015 #60

Yes, same can be said of the Nader is to blame response. Rote. cui bono Apr 2015 #65

Why I'm done here. Jim Lane Apr 2015 #66

You are doing what you blame me of doing. cui bono Apr 2015 #88

Interesting AuntPatsy Apr 2015 #101

"became President" aspirant Apr 2015 #69

I disagree so I'll answer uninvited aspirant Apr 2015 #52

Apparently, the context eluded you, despite your claims. Jim Lane for the win. n/t Thor_MN Apr 2015 #47

No, the content eluded me which is why I asked you to elaborate, which you failed to do. n/t cui bono Apr 2015 #50

I told you to think about it and you claimed you knew, which you didn't. n/t Thor_MN Apr 2015 #51

How would you know what I know? All you've done here is evade a simple question. cui bono Apr 2015 #89

If you chose to read, you would have the answer you missed. Thor_MN Apr 2015 #93

I've read your replies to me and if there was an answer to my initial question I guess I missed it. cui bono Apr 2015 #96

I thought about it aspirant Apr 2015 #39

Because they could just do what ever they wanted. Thor_MN Apr 2015 #48

Why ignore an American Hero? aspirant Apr 2015 #53

Context is everything. Thor_MN Apr 2015 #54

I choose to understand, really I do. aspirant Apr 2015 #55

Here, let me do the work for you. Thor_MN Apr 2015 #56

So it's just your assumption or guess. aspirant Apr 2015 #57

Wow, you really have a talent for missing the point. Thor_MN Apr 2015 #59

Nadar lives forever aspirant Apr 2015 #62

You misunderstand. I brought up Nader. Thor_MN Apr 2015 #64

This isn't your domain, aspirant Apr 2015 #67

Have you noticed that no one is challenging your love for the man? Thor_MN Apr 2015 #76

How do you know that I love the man aspirant Apr 2015 #80

OK, you have descended into "I know you are but what am I" Thor_MN Apr 2015 #87

I have risen above the muck here aspirant Apr 2015 #91

No, you have ranted on and on about your fascination with Nader. Thor_MN Apr 2015 #94

No, you have evaded again and again aspirant Apr 2015 #100

We are stuck on your fascination and fantasies. Thor_MN Apr 2015 #102

No it's your GOP crystal ball imaginations aspirant Apr 2015 #103

I make statements of fact. Thor_MN Apr 2015 #104

In the rest of America aspirant Apr 2015 #105

Hmm, now you are so worked up you are doubling down on your posts. Thor_MN Apr 2015 #107

Why are you obsessed with Nadar? aspirant Apr 2015 #108

I haven't invoked "Nadar", you have. Thor_MN Apr 2015 #109

How does Nader come into your imagination? aspirant Apr 2015 #110

Please stop accusing me of lying Thor_MN Apr 2015 #111

I am so glad aspirant Apr 2015 #112

I agree that your mind has less... Thor_MN Apr 2015 #113

And I agree your mind has more repub content than mine aspirant Apr 2015 #114

A second response to a brand new post#111 aspirant Apr 2015 #115

You actually think I'm going to retract my thoughts because you demand it? Thor_MN Apr 2015 #116

No, just your written words aspirant Apr 2015 #117

Are you trying to boost your post count? Thor_MN Apr 2015 #118

If I were I would be seeking you out on a regular basis aspirant Apr 2015 #119

Sorry to disappoint you. Thor_MN Apr 2015 #120

No disappointment at all aspirant Apr 2015 #121

Glad to hear it. Thor_MN Apr 2015 #122

Happy Trails, Mr. Thor aspirant Apr 2015 #123

Goodbye. Thor_MN Apr 2015 #124

Really? You posted about 10 replies to me yet none of them answered my initial question. cui bono Apr 2015 #129

I answered you, after you claimed to know what I was talking about, Thor_MN Apr 2015 #130

Um no. I said I knew of the situation. I have yet to be told what you were talking about. n/t cui bono Apr 2015 #131

I'm sorry that you don't get it, but I've given you your answer. Thor_MN Apr 2015 #132

Then I'll ask again for you to point me to the post that has the answer to my question. cui bono Apr 2015 #133

Exactly how many times do you need me to tell you #47? Thor_MN Apr 2015 #134

This message was self-deleted by its author aspirant Apr 2015 #106

+1 Excellent. cui bono Apr 2015 #90

There are Republicans who feel about Nader the way I feel about Palin. Jim Lane Apr 2015 #58

So my question is; aspirant Apr 2015 #61

Because I'm a temperate person, cautious in my statements, and they're not. (n/t) Jim Lane Apr 2015 #63

As a temperate person aspirant Apr 2015 #68

I really should stay out of these threads, but I'll try to explain. Jim Lane Apr 2015 #70

Why should you stay out of these threads? aspirant Apr 2015 #72

Partly because I spend too much time on them. Jim Lane Apr 2015 #73

Jim aspirant Apr 2015 #74

I agree he is for his work in consumer protection. As to his running for president, NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #126

Yes, the results weren't desired, but it's not like he made that happen. cui bono Apr 2015 #128

I'm with you, JoePhilly. cheapdate Apr 2015 #15

How long are you willing to wait for the revolution? How many American children have to rhett o rick Apr 2015 #78

I'm not waiting. cheapdate Apr 2015 #95

Those that advocate for HRC and the 1% do so for one of two reasons IMO. One they honestly rhett o rick Apr 2015 #99

False. cheapdate Apr 2015 #127

I know I am in a group, so can't say to much. sheshe2 Apr 2015 #135

It is not too late. zeemike Apr 2015 #40

So if I have this right ... JoePhilly Apr 2015 #75

No you don't have it right. zeemike Apr 2015 #77

Strawman!! No one is saying that H. Clinton will "have destroyed everything by 2020". rhett o rick Apr 2015 #98

Oregon's governor and legislators are pushing 15/hour minimum wage right now. WillTwain Apr 2015 #4

That's for sure. Its needed. RiverLover Apr 2015 #7

It's a real horse race. Which one will happen first? Binkie The Clown Apr 2015 #6

I know you're joking but the global climate change is happening now. mwooldri Apr 2015 #16

Actually, I wasn't joking. Binkie The Clown Apr 2015 #20

K & R !!! WillyT Apr 2015 #9

Thanks WillyT! RiverLover Apr 2015 #11

I see you have no respect for a superior species: DeSwiss Apr 2015 #14

ha! RiverLover Apr 2015 #18

We all will be one with the Borg. zeemike Apr 2015 #43

IMO that is kinda tacky. djean111 Apr 2015 #44

And why is it ''sinking'' to a low level? Exactly? DeSwiss Apr 2015 #71

More than kinda. nt stevenleser Apr 2015 #84

Oh damn, I had to look again... one_voice Apr 2015 #82

So are you going to dig up Wm Jennings Bryan...?? Historic NY Apr 2015 #17

Dems already have the infrastructure. Why not make it the populist party again? n/t eridani Apr 2015 #19

Because the ones on power are already beholden to big money. cui bono Apr 2015 #23

By having progressives run for school boards, water districts, city councils etc eridani Apr 2015 #25

Yes, this could work, but maybe it's too late for that? cui bono Apr 2015 #26

The conservatives take the long view. Why do we refuse that? eridani Apr 2015 #29

Well I for one, would rather be in a party that appreciates liberals and progressives than one that cui bono Apr 2015 #35

We don't get the centrists on board. We do to them what the Tea Party did to the RINOs eridani Apr 2015 #41

You nailed it. It all starts at the local level and grows from there. emulatorloo Apr 2015 #27

I'm ready for that! cui bono Apr 2015 #24

My concern, aspirant Apr 2015 #31

But the only reason we have people from the Republican Party in the Dem Party now is because both cui bono Apr 2015 #37

I totally agree, aspirant Apr 2015 #42

I think we need to play the short game and the long game. zeemike Apr 2015 #46

K & R, hugely Thespian2 Apr 2015 #30

A mass Populist Party needs a focal point Cosmic Kitten Apr 2015 #79

Another progressive populist position... yallerdawg Apr 2015 #81

Their have been aspirant Apr 2015 #83

Works for me! KamaAina Apr 2015 #85

Absolutely! K & R, TY RiverLover! mother earth Apr 2015 #86

We are many!! RiverLover Apr 2015 #92

Excellent article! Greece's last election is a truly hopeful sign that the winds of change AGAINST sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #97

Sure! daleanime Apr 2015 #125

I understand where you are coming from, but I cannot get on board. merrily Apr 2015 #136

We either take back our party marym625 Apr 2015 #137

I never said I wanted a third party. Ever. I posted an article that says one day RiverLover Apr 2015 #138

That's great! merrily Apr 2015 #139