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Rilgin

(793 posts)
89. Again, Statements are not policy
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 05:12 PM
Apr 2015

She has spoken out on issues. I say that in my post. She says she will be a fighter for the middle class. She mentions income inequality now. She channels statements of EW. However, such statements are not the same thing as policy solutions to the problems mentioned.

In fact, to make it even more clear. Most republicans say they fight for the middle class. Its when they get to their policy solutions that they go wrong. The only thing Republicans have as policies is to lower taxes on the rich and promote deregulation. It is in the detail of their policies that republicans go very wrong. However, their public statements of what they want often is remarkably similar to most democrats because they too follow polls. It never hurts a politician to "say" they will fight for the middle class are for the environment or any number of things most people would want for society.

For example, right now, a lot of republicans are actually mentioning income inequality as an issue. This does not make their policies right. In fact, mentioning problems are never policies. They might indicate future policies but the devil is always in the details of what policies one supports to address a problem. As far as I know, HRC has not provided any policies on current problems. She may in the future and some may be good. Who knows.

Your links include a lot of statements and some links to her votes in 2004 to 2008. Factually, she is better than republicans. Some votes were good, some bad. Not all of them were good by a long shot. Cherry picking good or bad past policies or votes never leads to truth. She has a very mixed bag in her past.

However, regardless, none of your links state what her current policy solutions are to any of the current issues. Again, I will state, as far as I know she has not presented her current policy solutions to any of the problems facing us. It is good that she now mentions income inequality, but what are her policies to address the inequality?

Again it is disingenuous for you to bemoan the OP not addressing her policies if she has not put her current policy answers into public view. Statements and campaign rhetoric are not policies. When she releases some then ask for responses.

As to her past votes, statements, actions, policies, and issues. They are a mixed bag. There are some good issues for HRC. These are primarily in social issues. I believe she is a strong supporter and will have good policies on women's rights and sexual choices. I am pretty sure despite waffling in the past, she would be for lgbt rights since the polls show its no longer a problematic area.

On social issues, she seems to be pretty strong. On foreign policy and economics there is much to criticize in these past links you have mentioned. These have been discussed in many many many many many many many many posts. They do not need to be discussed in every single post. Moreover, those are in the past. They do not indicate her current policy in any area unless you want to say she is still for war in Iraq because she voted for it years ago.




I'm Ready For Oligarchy - Are You? - Vote HRC - The 1% Manchurian Candidate cantbeserious Apr 2015 #1
+10000 JDPriestly Apr 2015 #82
+ swilton Apr 2015 #109
Thank you! YES! CoffeeCat Apr 2015 #114
K&R! This post should have hundreds of recommendations! HRC should read this article. Enthusiast Apr 2015 #2
So true! RiverLover Apr 2015 #3
I doubt the HRC personality cult will ever understand nxylas Apr 2015 #6
+1 Well said. BeanMusical Apr 2015 #10
Good plan! Insult everyone who doesn't agree with you! brooklynite Apr 2015 #11
Offensive and completely wrong. Evergreen Emerald Apr 2015 #29
If you don't want to be offended, you're better off staying out of Populist Reform nxylas Apr 2015 #32
+1 RiverLover Apr 2015 #33
disappointed Evergreen Emerald Apr 2015 #38
That cuts both ways nxylas Apr 2015 #75
Evergreen Emerald, I did not realize I was in HRC's forum, posted one comment & was banned peacebird Apr 2015 #103
This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Apr 2015 #59
!!!! RiverLover Apr 2015 #61
I Completely Agree With You AND... ChiciB1 Apr 2015 #66
Yep, me too. /nt RiverLover Apr 2015 #105
I'm a woman... CoffeeCat Apr 2015 #115
Quite nxylas Apr 2015 #120
K & R! nt m-lekktor Apr 2015 #4
Important article MissDeeds Apr 2015 #5
President Hillary Clinton! Laser102 Apr 2015 #7
^^^This is what conservatives do when they don't have a valid response to truth. RiverLover Apr 2015 #9
There is not a grain of truth about Clinton in the OP MaggieD Apr 2015 #68
No kidding! workinclasszero Apr 2015 #71
IOW, you do know you are in the Populist Group and you are deliberating violating its merrily Apr 2015 #125
Anti-hils aren't the ones backing a conservative. Jester Messiah Apr 2015 #86
If it quacks like a duck, it's a duck MaggieD Apr 2015 #88
You're saying if we oppose her from the left dreamnightwind Apr 2015 #118
It is no different MaggieD Apr 2015 #119
I completely disagree dreamnightwind Apr 2015 #121
Been doing it for years MaggieD Apr 2015 #122
I was asking how you are doing so with your posts in this forum dreamnightwind Apr 2015 #123
Hi, what would you think of a "do not feed those who troll this group" policy? merrily Apr 2015 #126
Hi... dreamnightwind Apr 2015 #132
I get it, dreamnightwind. merrily Apr 2015 #133
Well you're sporting a sticker... MaggieD Apr 2015 #130
You may not be aware of the reality there is a major DRAFT effort to convince Warren RiverLover Apr 2015 #135
She certainly participated in it - ENTHUSIASTICALLY. [n/t] Maedhros Apr 2015 #78
I am so embarassed for you. How sad. Clinton is a tool of the Olgarchy and you think your rhett o rick Apr 2015 #117
K&R. zeemike Apr 2015 #8
I wouldn't worry about Hilliary's policies as president RedstDem Apr 2015 #12
This message was self-deleted by its author merrily Apr 2015 #14
sarcasm tag needed :) RiverLover Apr 2015 #15
Thanks, RiverLover. On second thought, I'll just delete. merrily Apr 2015 #18
Traveling around in a vehicle, asking people questions, reminds me of how Scott Brown merrily Apr 2015 #13
But never ever forget all the good luck those truedelphi Apr 2015 #127
You bad. merrily Apr 2015 #128
I keep hoping that some ambitious group of young environmentalists gets on "Shark Tank" truedelphi Apr 2015 #139
Same thing Kathie Lee Gifford said about little kids in sweat shops. merrily Apr 2015 #140
Absolutely bullshit on government ... Cosmocat Apr 2015 #16
Unless you want Hillary to be the nominee, don't wait for someone else to rise to merrily Apr 2015 #19
FINE Cosmocat Apr 2015 #41
I did and I am and I will. merrily Apr 2015 #43
I said I would get behind someone who was better Cosmocat Apr 2015 #45
He said he will come in if he sees the support. So, merrily Apr 2015 #46
well Cosmocat Apr 2015 #49
Again, this is the Populist Group. You don't get to berate us for criticizing Hillary merrily Apr 2015 #50
That is exactly right. Organizing and grass roots support are necessary if folks still_one Apr 2015 #55
Thanks. As far as I am concerned, though, she's one of several hopefuls. merrily Apr 2015 #56
I agree. I also think that support needs to start as soon still_one Apr 2015 #58
I made up my mind Friday afternoon and I've already done several things. merrily Apr 2015 #62
I hope we do have a true primary where I/we can fight for someone else. RiverLover Apr 2015 #20
Have you done anything to urge Sanders to run? He says he will run if he sees support. merrily Apr 2015 #21
I get his updates & sign all of his petitions & have been on 2 of his conference calls with MoveOn RiverLover Apr 2015 #23
As I said, I will reassess if and when she gets in the race. I just want to do all I can merrily Apr 2015 #27
Me too. exactly. /nt RiverLover Apr 2015 #31
Yeah, pretty much. Jackpine Radical Apr 2015 #35
the article is hyperbolic bullshit Cosmocat Apr 2015 #37
In this group, you don't get to compare us to Republicans. merrily Apr 2015 #48
Even if "this group" is saying the same things they are? Cosmocat Apr 2015 #52
YES. Even if you don't like what is being said. In this group, it's your kind of merrily Apr 2015 #53
I disagree.... MaggieD Apr 2015 #84
Then you misapprehend the rules of this board in general, as well as the purpose of "safe haven" merrily Apr 2015 #124
Thanks for your recommendations - I'll pass MaggieD Apr 2015 #129
You're welcome, but you'll pass on what? merrily Apr 2015 #131
Happy trails. nt MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #134
Actually, special DU groups offer certain sanctuary for promoting still_one Apr 2015 #57
Thank you. /nt RiverLover Apr 2015 #60
the exact opposite is true Rilgin Apr 2015 #116
I thought the BOG and the HRC fans were standing with the republicans on TPP Doctor_J Apr 2015 #63
Exactly. RiverLover Apr 2015 #64
Where is your evidence for that? MaggieD Apr 2015 #85
It sure is!! MaggieD Apr 2015 #70
Wow...the one sensible post...thank you Cosmocat Perseus Apr 2015 #26
This message was self-deleted by its author merrily Apr 2015 #30
Meh, I think the beer thing is over and I would never have one with Hillary merrily Apr 2015 #39
I agree with you ...the 1% has chosen Hillary and no one else has enough money to rise above her. L0oniX Apr 2015 #36
The 1% casts 1% of the vote Cosmocat Apr 2015 #40
Right ...and all those tv campaign ads paid for by the 1% have no affect. L0oniX Apr 2015 #44
Not the cause and effect Cosmocat Apr 2015 #47
When 100% of the messengers say the same thing, people figure it must be true. ieoeja Apr 2015 #76
End of the day, it is the stupid Cosmocat Apr 2015 #90
oh, and democrats most assuredly are useless Cosmocat Apr 2015 #93
Marketing and group psychology elect our leaders.[n/t] Maedhros Apr 2015 #79
Yes, because people WANT to believe the bullshit Cosmocat Apr 2015 #91
We don't educate our children to think for themselves, we simply educate them to regurgitate Maedhros Apr 2015 #102
Exactly! MaggieD Apr 2015 #69
Being a little bit corrupt is still corrupt. jeff47 Apr 2015 #74
I can count on one hand the non status quo democrats in congress Cosmocat Apr 2015 #96
Your solution is to accept the status quo. jeff47 Apr 2015 #110
You missed the point by a pretty wide margin Cosmocat Apr 2015 #136
Not at all. Your claim is politics is dominated by status quo candidates jeff47 Apr 2015 #137
Yeah, missed by a wide margin Cosmocat Apr 2015 #138
He nailed my thought and fears about Hillary. Autumn Apr 2015 #17
Some cheap shots, in my opinion Perseus Apr 2015 #22
Thanks Perseus. Good points. RiverLover Apr 2015 #25
Mr Curry--if he does not think Hillary is good enough asjr Apr 2015 #24
Save it for the Hillary Group or GD. Thanks. merrily Apr 2015 #51
The amount of whining over writers who criticize Hillary is comical. Maedhros Apr 2015 #80
H 2016! Gamecock Lefty Apr 2015 #28
Your kind of post is out of place in this group. Please save it for GD or the merrily Apr 2015 #54
When a candidate is bad, there tend to be articles about how they are bad. Maedhros Apr 2015 #81
When does the rebellion start? JoePhilly Apr 2015 #34
Completely spot on. Have to support this 100% on point Apr 2015 #42
DURec. bvar22 Apr 2015 #65
There is not a single quote here.... MaggieD Apr 2015 #67
Exactly which policy positions are those? Rilgin Apr 2015 #77
Really? You're just helpless to find those? Really? MaggieD Apr 2015 #83
Again, Statements are not policy Rilgin Apr 2015 #89
So by that measure.... MaggieD Apr 2015 #92
Once more Rilgin Apr 2015 #104
His "opinion" has been wrong consistently MaggieD Apr 2015 #107
Ok We came down to it Rilgin Apr 2015 #111
As far as climate change, we have Dems claiming they LOVE to burn coal. Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2015 #72
Recommend whole read...and he makes important points about the "Issues" we should discuss. KoKo Apr 2015 #73
Bill Curry couldn't win as a Democrat in CONNECTICUT MaggieD Apr 2015 #87
What do you think "turned off" Dem Voters about him? KoKo Apr 2015 #94
I can't speak for others.... MaggieD Apr 2015 #95
Thanks... But, I still think he makes some great points....Although KoKo Apr 2015 #99
He doesn't back up a single thing MaggieD Apr 2015 #101
Still "dead broke." blkmusclmachine Apr 2015 #97
URL: http://media1.s-nbcnews.com/j/MSNBC/Components/Photo/_new/1204060-clinton-viral-hmed-945a.grid- blkmusclmachine Apr 2015 #98
Can't get your link to work..do you have a better one? KoKo Apr 2015 #100
You don't know they left the WH millons in debt? MaggieD Apr 2015 #108
Kicked! ibewlu606 Apr 2015 #106
K & R !!! Thespian2 Apr 2015 #112
when we are 1 supreme away from turning the rightward slide since REAGAN. THE ONLY THING THAT pansypoo53219 Apr 2015 #113
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