Populist Reform of the Democratic Party

delrem

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48. Can you explain this to me (a Canadian)

Tue May 26, 2015, 01:48 AM

May 2015

"What is the difference between a socialist and a Democratic Socialist? First, socialists believe in government or other collective ownership, whereas US Democratic Socialists believe not only in working within capitalism, but also in working within the Democratic Party."

That reads to me as saying that a Democratic Socialist is not a socialist, and in fact as disavowing socialism.

OK.
I think the country, Canada, should be the owner of Canada's natural resources, and rights to those resources should only be leased out under strict regulation, where the Canadian environment is protected and Canada gets a fair return.
Someone else might say that it is a socialist, not a capitalist, notion, that a Country should retain ownership of its natural resources.

I can't think of how any political party could be viable, in Canada, if it ran on a platform to dismantle Canada's universal health care system, which is socialist to its very core. Now I'm talking about a large number of jobs. I'm talking about a huge network of community resources, all of which are essential. Socialist through and through.

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It's not surprising that Third-Way Democrats are coming to hate being called Third-Way Democrats [View all] MannyGoldstein May 2015 OP

Hey, if you can't beat 'em, buy 'em. Scuba May 2015 #1

Whom The Cap Fit Let Them Wear It billhicks76 May 2015 #14

Boo-Yah! nikto May 2015 #116

Or, let them buy you. merrily May 2015 #31

All Too True cantbeserious May 2015 #2

Spot On! Phlem May 2015 #3

For some people, actual policy is unimportant. Maedhros May 2015 #4

That brings up an interesting question - if someone embraces Third-Way policies MannyGoldstein May 2015 #6

They don't embrace Third Way economic/foreign policy, they just ignore it Maedhros May 2015 #26

I don't think you could even legitimately claim that. Erich Bloodaxe BSN May 2015 #63

Remember all those threads about economic vs. social justice? Maedhros May 2015 #85

The ones where the posters were always too busy to link to examples, MannyGoldstein May 2015 #87

They're not gone, and they're not more subtle. Maedhros May 2015 #89

As Jon Stewart said regarding the political scene, it's more like a cult. I think that is changing sabrina 1 May 2015 #83

On the flip side, for some people, actual policy is very important. merrily May 2015 #32

The ends justify the means approach swilton May 2015 #91

Call me whatever childish names you need to make yourself feel better. 4now May 2015 #5

Do you disagree with the OP? MannyGoldstein May 2015 #7

I feel your pain 4now May 2015 #8

Since the PRDP is a protected group MannyGoldstein May 2015 #9

I don't think you will find any "personal attacks" in my posts. 4now May 2015 #10

A group host cannot remove a post, only block posters. Posters are expected to respect the group merrily May 2015 #53

Maybe being sad and lonely has more to do with you than with which candidatesyou support? merrily May 2015 #36

my vote for weirdest post I've seen here all day. Perhaps most pathetic as well. NRaleighLiberal May 2015 #16

This post was alerted. :( bravenak May 2015 #101

. NRaleighLiberal May 2015 #103

I found it funny too. bravenak May 2015 #105

And a press that ignores Presidential candidates who want to help is okay with you? Good to know. merrily May 2015 #33

This OP has been alerted on for violating the SOP of the Group. Someone alerted rhett o rick May 2015 #11

"Third Way" is an important phrase for Populists to retain MannyGoldstein May 2015 #12

Oh, SOP alert on a host post! NYC_SKP May 2015 #13

The only fighting that goes on in this group is a result of posters who do not merrily May 2015 #37

hasn't half of DU been blocked from that group? NRaleighLiberal May 2015 #17

I still think my blocking was the best..... daleanime May 2015 #27

I almost blocked you from this group, just for quoting it. merrily May 2015 #45

I don't know, I actually think the context makes it worse..... daleanime May 2015 #67

I am going to take a wild guess: merrily May 2015 #69

Wrong! daleanime May 2015 #72

Please accept my apologies for my incorrect wild guess. merrily May 2015 #73

No need to, I should be apologizing to you.... daleanime May 2015 #88

You have no reason to apologize to me. merrily May 2015 #90

I got banned for saying "I didn't know that." Seriously. I think it was my first post. nm rhett o rick May 2015 #74

Ouch.... daleanime May 2015 #76

Actually I support that they have that safe haven. Seriously. nm rhett o rick May 2015 #78

I hear you and I agree.... daleanime May 2015 #82

I Was Banned From HRC Group Too!!! billhicks76 May 2015 #18

I have no problem with someone who is not a Hillary supporter getting blocked from the Hillary merrily May 2015 #38

Exactly...They Shouldn't Be In "Trending Now" billhicks76 May 2015 #58

I'm not here to debate DU policies with someone who I see as being on my side politically, which is merrily May 2015 #59

Obviously Change The Indices That Put Groups On Front Page billhicks76 May 2015 #61

I actually didn't know that. Erich Bloodaxe BSN May 2015 #64

Every group bears this note: merrily May 2015 #71

Results of Jury Service --> 0-7 LEAVE IT nashville_brook May 2015 #20

I would like to respond to the juror comment about my post being in bad taste. rhett o rick May 2015 #24

Seems as though at least juror 3 agreed with you. merrily May 2015 #42

When the alert is used for other than its intended purpose Fairgo May 2015 #60

So many things wrong with the alert I don't know where to begin. However, I must note, merrily May 2015 #39

I would suggest that the alerter Erich Bloodaxe BSN May 2015 #65

Let me put it this way: It was not a Bernie supporter. merrily May 2015 #70

I'm not exactly sure what happened here, but can't keep myself from staring at it :-) whereisjustice May 2015 #23

As one might do with a train wreck. merrily May 2015 #40

Monitor is one thing. Why members of DU's right attempt to post in this group and why they were merrily May 2015 #34

Yes, what is with that? BrotherIvan May 2015 #92

You are asking me to explain behavior I consider inexplicable. I can't do it. nt merrily May 2015 #111

Like I've said many times here recently, money corrupts - too much money corrupts absolutely. NRaleighLiberal May 2015 #15

Just like Neo-Con Republicans don't like to be called Neo-Con Republicans Joe Turner May 2015 #19

For my own peace of mind I decided to believe that the DLC aka Third-Way is a myth. delrem May 2015 #21

I made it all the way through. Paka May 2015 #22

The truth hurts, eh? 3rd Way, DLC, 1% shock troops, its all the same economics-without-a-cause. Ford_Prefect May 2015 #25

The "Tea Party" is a creature of the American Enterprise Institute, delrem May 2015 #44

But at least you can see why teabaggers would object to being called that nxylas May 2015 #49

They called themselves Tea Partiers, but hung teabags from their tri cornered hats. merrily May 2015 #56

Nope, they came up with it. Erich Bloodaxe BSN May 2015 #66

They were not calling themselves Teabaggers though. They were using tea bag as a transitive verb. merrily May 2015 #68

If you're the one doing the teabagging, as they suggested, that makes you the 'teabagger'. Erich Bloodaxe BSN May 2015 #75

Ahem. merrily May 2015 #77

And my earlier reply said Erich Bloodaxe BSN May 2015 #79

We're going in a circle, but see my reply 68. There is a difference between using tea bag as a verb merrily May 2015 #81

There is a lot of things they haven't figured out about that event Mnpaul May 2015 #98

The DLC, which the Koch brothers supported by both dollars and by serving on its Executive Council, merrily May 2015 #54

well blow me down with a feather .... now. delrem May 2015 #55

What's the donco May 2015 #28

Being a virtual Blanche DuBois, they have always depended on the kindness of corporations. eom whereisjustice May 2015 #29

Bernie Sanders deserves a better group of supporters. RandySF May 2015 #30

Please delete or revise your post quickly. We don't bash Bernie supporters here. merrily May 2015 #35

I made it to the end. malokvale77 May 2015 #41

Third Way is by far not the only DLC offshoot think tank. merrily May 2015 #43

They will appropriate *every* word in the language, delrem May 2015 #46

So far, nothing but "traditional Democrat" seems to describe me. merrily May 2015 #47

Can you explain this to me (a Canadian) delrem May 2015 #48

The best I can do is ask you to read that entire thread. merrily May 2015 #50

"However, government's owning some things is not, in and of itself, socialism." delrem May 2015 #51

Please name 3 current prominent Democrats who fit your description... pkdu May 2015 #52

What is your point? That no Democrat is a Third Wayer? If so, thats bs. merrily May 2015 #57

The term is virtually meaningless to anyone who doesn't spend a lot of time on DU. pnwmom May 2015 #94

Yes, we all know there are low info voters and your post had nothing to do with merrily May 2015 #110

Well done, Manny. Enthusiast May 2015 #62

So what will they be called now? ananda May 2015 #80

Serf Kings. L0oniX May 2015 #100

They think we can't see them. nt silvershadow May 2015 #84

K&R It needs it. Populist_Prole May 2015 #86

I bet 90% of registered Democrats have no idea what "Third-Way Democrat" means. pnwmom May 2015 #93

How many have heard of ALEC? Of PNAC? nt MannyGoldstein May 2015 #96

Exactly. n/t pnwmom May 2015 #97

Exactly what? Sneaking wicked shit is easy to slip by too many Americans? TheKentuckian May 2015 #109

Yeah, about half of Americans pnwmom May 2015 #112

I'd back your bet Algernon Moncrieff May 2015 #106

Have you seen their website? kenfrequed May 2015 #95

"(PRDP group post - stick to facts and no personal attacks.)" George II May 2015 #99

The TPP is such a clear-cut issue that once you see someone support it, you need no further data. paulkienitz May 2015 #102

Agree. It's a good litmus test that cuts through all the crap Populist_Prole May 2015 #113

I'm sticking with "their own benefit" paulkienitz May 2015 #114

I don't think they really "believe" it either Populist_Prole May 2015 #115

Just as some professional leftists didn't like being called the professional left Algernon Moncrieff May 2015 #104

A letter that I recently wrote. WoodyM90 May 2015 #107

That is a fantastic letter. MannyGoldstein May 2015 #108