Democratic Primaries

BeyondGeography

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4. Fighting for what is right is good, taking people out in a debate is wildly overrated

Reply to left-of-center2012 (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 09:59 AM

Jul 2019

After the first debate it was clear to me that too many people think life will automatically improve if we can publicly eviscerate Trump in a debate. Some problems with that:

-Hillary kicked his ass three times in a debate.

-She also debated Barack Obama about 20 times and won just about every one of those debates too. She's one of the best debaters I've ever seen, tbh. If we were to have a designated debater in our party, I'd choose her. But the ability to connect with voters and grow your base of support is far more important than debating skills.

-Even when you "win" a debate, the other side spins it as a win for their guy, especially when you're talking about the RWNJ media machine. There will be no magical victory moment in the Trump debates, if he even debates.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Kamala Harris isn't afraid to show anger. That's progress -- but is it good politics? [View all] left-of-center2012 Jul 2019 OP

Great post... thx! Thekaspervote Jul 2019 #1

Well, I guess when a political writer needs a topic to write about, the old evergreen Demit Jul 2019 #2

Or ... left-of-center2012 Jul 2019 #3

Maybe that should have been his headline then. Demit Jul 2019 #8

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ JHan Jul 2019 #69

Fighting for what is right is good, taking people out in a debate is wildly overrated BeyondGeography Jul 2019 #4

Well, if she wants to go down in flames, attacking the leading MineralMan Jul 2019 #5

yes qazplm135 Jul 2019 #6

This is a primary...her method works in a primary but has damaged her as a general election Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #13

nonsensical qazplm135 Jul 2019 #15

African Cookies jcgoldie Jul 2019 #18

If they forget her ambush she loses her bounce. ucrdem Jul 2019 #21

well it's been a few weeks qazplm135 Jul 2019 #22

Is she wins the primary Trump will remind us 24/7. ucrdem Jul 2019 #25

and I'm pretty sure qazplm135 Jul 2019 #26

It would be in PA ucrdem Jul 2019 #27

oh of course not qazplm135 Jul 2019 #28

Well, there's 2016. nt ucrdem Jul 2019 #29

no idea what that means qazplm135 Jul 2019 #34

"Fan fiction" is a GREAT description of some of the stuff I've read here, lol. Demit Jul 2019 #30

. . . and now there's busing. And reparations. And M4A. And even AOC. ucrdem Jul 2019 #31

you're honestly wrong qazplm135 Jul 2019 #35

That's what I kept hearing last time. Unfortunately ucrdem Jul 2019 #37

lol qazplm135 Jul 2019 #38

Hillary wasn't running on busing either. nt ucrdem Jul 2019 #39

lol qazplm135 Jul 2019 #40

See you around. ucrdem Jul 2019 #41

She's only "running on busing" in the right wing talking points EffieBlack Jul 2019 #56

I would luv to see a woman prez...but have to agree harris will not be a winner in swing states Thekaspervote Jul 2019 #52

It raised her numbers some...but no she won't win the nomination. Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #46

What objectively points to this method as damaging to her in a general election? LanternWaste Jul 2019 #49

She is running on race which is a bad thing in a general. Americans Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #51

How is she "running on race"? StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #57

Given her recent rise in polling it simply does not follow. LanternWaste Jul 2019 #48

I'll come to my own conclusions, if you don't mind. MineralMan Jul 2019 #50

"anger" tishaLA Jul 2019 #7

Dollars to donuts the next time Biden displays anger it will be lauded as admirable. Demit Jul 2019 #10

You nailed it loyalsister Jul 2019 #43

When men get angry it's "righteous" When women get angry, they lost control StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #65

"relitigate the race wars" loyalsister Jul 2019 #9

The question is do we want to attempt to re-litigate race during this election...we will surely Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #12

Agree. Busing is exactly what Trump needs to escape his own trainwreck. nt ucrdem Jul 2019 #23

Trump won't beat us...but if we are not careful we may lose all on our own. Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #45

50 year old battles are still important left-of-center2012 Jul 2019 #14

Looks like others may be heading back to the 19th Century besides drumpf. democratisphere Jul 2019 #36

It's those who want to return to the 20th that worry me loyalsister Jul 2019 #42

Great post...I think Harris is running on race and it is a mistake if she makes it into the Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #11

Agree. ucrdem Jul 2019 #20

That is true...her record as DA and AG will not be helpful. Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #47

On style I give Senator Harris a solid 'A' grade. She is forceful, communicative, and confident. riverine Jul 2019 #16

"a misguided "AA only" housing plan" left-of-center2012 Jul 2019 #17

Yes she's a whiz at winning elections in California ucrdem Jul 2019 #19

It's not an "AA only" housing plan tishaLA Jul 2019 #24

Cooler heads will prevail. democratisphere Jul 2019 #32

Fine to be angry. Just can't let 'em see you sweat. LakeArenal Jul 2019 #33

+1000 Thekaspervote Jul 2019 #53

Katie Porter. Newbie. Does it really well. LakeArenal Jul 2019 #54

didn't read the article but i don't think she has come off angry JI7 Jul 2019 #44

Making the country whole again is a fantasy. at least for a few election cycles. Kurt V. Jul 2019 #55

I think Harris is more crafted than impassioned. Her background in CA - 58Sunliner Jul 2019 #58

Harris certainly has got alot of negatives in her history that will turn off voters if they knew. Princetonian Jul 2019 #66

Yeah-I think she has real problems in the mid-states. 58Sunliner Jul 2019 #68

I didn't see anger, but my friend who was watching with me said ecstatic Jul 2019 #59

ABW Angry Black Woman left-of-center2012 Jul 2019 #60

That's her take based on her experiences working in corporate America. nt ecstatic Jul 2019 #62

It's a shame that was her experience. left-of-center2012 Jul 2019 #63

Trump carried angry white folks' anger all the way to victory Blue_Tires Jul 2019 #61

I remember well Hillary accused of being "hysterical". Kaleva Jul 2019 #64

well, you noticed when she didn't get the play she thought she'd get... wyldwolf Jul 2019 #67