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Congratulations to our presumptive Democratic nominee, Joe Biden!
Democratic Primaries
In reply to the discussion: Like it or not Biden has to win over Sander's supporters [View all]Gothmog
(154,181 posts)203. Maybe not
sanders not dropping out may help Biden. sanders keeps on losing primaries by large margins nnly strenghten's Joe's position https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/03/11/no-surprise-bernie-sanders-is-still-all-about-himself-never-party/
Sanderss remaining in the race should serve several salutary purposes for the party and the country. First, seeing him lose overwhelmingly week after week will dispel the notion that the Democratic Party has moved left, or that he is in a dominant position to negotiate with the overwhelming winner. Its not clear why the Biden camp should give Sanders anything.
Second, it is good to keep Biden in fighting form, continuing to boost turnout and showing, as he did in Philadelphia, how presidential he is. Biden can pivot to the general election, essentially ignoring Sanders. (His planned speech on the coronavirus is the perfect opportunity to leave Sanders out of the discussion entirely.)....
Whoever is to replace Sanders as the standard-bearer for the left hopefully someone as smart and wonky as Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) will need to learn how to win elections. (Hint: It is not by scaring voters or attaching oneself to the socialist label.) When in office, a new generation of leaders on the left will need to learn the art of deal-making rather than waste years, as Sanders has, rabble-rousing but accomplishing nothing. Unlike Sanders, Warren (or whoever else takes the reins) will not be burdened by a record of reflexively praising dictators nor be driven to attack fellow Democrats.
Sanders will end the race at some point, a diminished figure. In retrospect, his wins in 2016 will be seen more as an anti-Hillary Clinton vote than a pro-Sanders vote. How he behaves at Sundays debate will determine whether he leaves a bad taste in the mouths of Democrats.
Second, it is good to keep Biden in fighting form, continuing to boost turnout and showing, as he did in Philadelphia, how presidential he is. Biden can pivot to the general election, essentially ignoring Sanders. (His planned speech on the coronavirus is the perfect opportunity to leave Sanders out of the discussion entirely.)....
Whoever is to replace Sanders as the standard-bearer for the left hopefully someone as smart and wonky as Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) will need to learn how to win elections. (Hint: It is not by scaring voters or attaching oneself to the socialist label.) When in office, a new generation of leaders on the left will need to learn the art of deal-making rather than waste years, as Sanders has, rabble-rousing but accomplishing nothing. Unlike Sanders, Warren (or whoever else takes the reins) will not be burdened by a record of reflexively praising dictators nor be driven to attack fellow Democrats.
Sanders will end the race at some point, a diminished figure. In retrospect, his wins in 2016 will be seen more as an anti-Hillary Clinton vote than a pro-Sanders vote. How he behaves at Sundays debate will determine whether he leaves a bad taste in the mouths of Democrats.
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"Lose dems"? If you don't vote for the nominee, were you really a Democrat in the first place?
zackymilly
Mar 2020
#47
Who said anything about Sanders being the nominee? Totally unrelated. Guess I haven't seen anyone
KPN
Mar 2020
#163
"The candidate and his supporters" have been crystal clear from Day One about what is at stake.
Hekate
Mar 2020
#152
Trump's followers are called the "deplorables," Bernie's should be known as the "implacables"
sop
Mar 2020
#181
Where were all these Bernie people when the polls opened? Why weren't they moved by Bernie?
zackymilly
Mar 2020
#51
So there's hope with trump? Betting on hope with trump is a sucker's bet. n/t
zackymilly
Mar 2020
#59
That is true only in the sense that they want someone they know can beat trump.
Vivienne235729
Mar 2020
#170
"He can't just ignore them and their needs." -- Oh, for fuck's sake! Stop it, will ya?!
NurseJackie
Mar 2020
#197
If Sanders is the nominee he has to win over Biden supporters, and he has given no indication that
still_one
Mar 2020
#8
He has. And he will.He will get the forgiveness program up and running, expand it dramatically,
emmaverybo
Mar 2020
#88
The ones that can't pay the debts are mainly graduates of unmarketable fields.
NYMinute
Mar 2020
#73
And families, including elderly and disabled members, are experiencing an epidemic of foreclosures,
emmaverybo
Mar 2020
#92
I think that's what many of us think-- we have to think past the slogan to all the considerations-
dawg day
Mar 2020
#172
biden needs to do nothing, its up to the young voters if they are better off with trump or not,
beachbumbob
Mar 2020
#13
if they attention to the news and not the latest WOW game, they will be engaged, nobody
beachbumbob
Mar 2020
#91
Sanders needs to win over the black voters and suburban and rural white voters
frazzled
Mar 2020
#14
Nothing will endear these people to vote for Biden, if Trump doesn't already do it. Nothing.
LizBeth
Mar 2020
#15
Bernie is NOT Going to A Leader. Count on him Doing as Little as Possible to Bring along His Support
Indykatie
Mar 2020
#31
Hopefully he won't have to win them over. Hopefully Trump will push them over. nt
LAS14
Mar 2020
#26
why do they have to be "won over" when Dump in office is not in their interests
treestar
Mar 2020
#65
Maybe if Bernie had tried to win over any other candidates supporters, he wouldn't be losing
StarfishSaver
Mar 2020
#43
I'm sure that's one reason Joe complimentd Berbie and his campaign last night in his speech.
napi21
Mar 2020
#58
Win over people who did not come out for their own candidate? The hard-core Berners who
emmaverybo
Mar 2020
#82
If they are so "progressive" that they need to be convinced to vote for Biden...
Renew Deal
Mar 2020
#84
Like it or not, if Trump isn't enough to vote for the Democratic nominee, then NOTHING will convince
still_one
Mar 2020
#118
Like it or not, the election will be between Biden and Trump. Choose wisely.
PubliusEnigma
Mar 2020
#142
Like it or not Sanders has to tell his supporters to grow up. The rest of the voters are speaking...
Hekate
Mar 2020
#150
Anyone who would fail to do everything possible to stop Trump deserves far more than a few nasty words
LongtimeAZDem
Mar 2020
#164