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Rilgin

(793 posts)
69. in the world yes, on this site, Bernie is and has been the main target of relentless attacks
Thu Mar 19, 2020, 12:09 PM
Mar 2020

This thread illustrates how it works. A reporter pushes a question that has already been given by another reporter with a "no comment" answer. "PBS’s Lisa Desjardins noted that she had asked Sanders about his campaign before Raju’s question, and he had said “no comment.” But Manu asked the same question again. This is a reporters job and happens all the time. Sometimes the politician answers sometimes not. Bernie again answered that he would not discuss this but he was talking about was the virus.

So here is how it works if you just want to attack him You find this nothing burger of an interaction from twitter and inflate it and put factual significance into it. And it works regardless of what Bernie actually does. If Bernie talked about his campaign, he would be the worst person in the world because he talked about his campaign in the middle of a pandemic. When he says he does not want to, then he is the worst person in the world cause he doesn't.

So then you take his actual response to this reporter which has the words "I" and the word "We" and read the word "We" out of it and post that it proves that Bernie is eqocentric and the worst person in the world. Then you base your attacks around the use of the word "lash" rather than "tell" and the word "angry" which are the reporter (Manu) subjective words. Was Bernie in fact angry or frustrated. Was this just direct speech to emphasize again that he was not going to take these questions or was it actual anger. The use of the words "angry" and "lash" are used rather than neutral words to imply this is an affirmative act rather than a response to a reporter trying to pin him down. It turns out (see below) that it was actually one direct statement within a reasonable moderate discussion within a number of reporters and not in a press conference called for that purpose.

If you actually research this interaction between Manu and Bernie you will find that this is not a video but is Manu's impressions which he is entitled to as an impression but not a fact. If you look further you find that this only comes from the Reporter who confronted him and not someone else who discussed something he or she witnessed. Further, even Manu reduces Sander,'s "anger" to the one response.

From the article "Sanders “was furious,” Raju said of the exchange in a series of tweets. “Afterwards, he mellowed out and answered questions about the crisis for about two more minutes.” "

So despite using "angry" and "lash" it turned out that Bernie then continued to talk reasonably with him and other reporters on the virus for a short period of time in an informal setting. So he did not immediately leave in "anger" but rather continued to talk about the virus which seems to be directly to his point. But this all takes too much work if all you want to do is say "lash" "angry" "unqualified" etc. This is an absolute nothing burger which is inflated to global significance to assert negative attacks on Bernie's character. It would be just as easy to take this nothing burger interaction and inflate it the other way to show that rather than talk about his campaign he wanted to discuss the importance of the virus in policy and continued even though verbally assaulted by a reporter who had already been nicely told that his election at that point was not important. See how easy that was.

Quotes from Manu and Lisa Desjardins in the article at the below site.

https://www.alternet.org/2020/03/bernie-sanders-lashes-out-at-reporter-asking-about-the-state-of-his-campaign/

And yes, Biden and all candidates face unfair attacks in the world. Very little on this site. And further, anyone else attacking Joe on this and other sites does not excuse the players on this thread who do something like the above dance daily to attack Bernie Biden is on path to win this and we need unity. Bernie is not what they portray. He is popular in the country and among democrats, as is Joe. Relentless twisting of every Bernie breath to fuel the desire to beat him and his supporters into the ground on this site is disunifying so rather than just say it happens to Joe, you might question if it should happen to anyone including Bernie and including Bernie on this site.
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Post removed Post removed Mar 2020 #1
Oh God. He ain't gonna fucking drop out, redux. boston bean Mar 2020 #2
Sanders under a minute, I support Biden 100%. Easy peasy. For the people, for the voters. Do it. ! LizBeth Mar 2020 #3
"..is that enough for you?.. " Hell no it's not enough. Cha Mar 2020 #4
He sounds like some one we have all come to know. boston bean Mar 2020 #6
So grateful the Voters Want Joe Biden! Cha Mar 2020 #7
Yes, that other reality show persona. R B Garr Mar 2020 #81
meltdown NCProgressive Mar 2020 #5
Bernie's campaign is a ******* disaster Baclava Mar 2020 #8
"I got this thing and it's fucking Golden" BlueIdaho Mar 2020 #9
As has been proven, grumpy doesn't equal votes. brush Mar 2020 #10
If this is how he handles losing the race and still having to show up at the Senate, how would he highplainsdem Mar 2020 #11
Wow. It's not like they wanted him to say Happy Birthday. betsuni Mar 2020 #12
,,, lapucelle Mar 2020 #51
... sheshe2 Mar 2020 #76
Can you imagine the media reaction if Hillary Clinton had said that? Nt spooky3 Mar 2020 #13
First thing I thought of. betsuni Mar 2020 #16
So much for a graceful exit from the race PatSeg Mar 2020 #14
not a team leader...or any kind of leader really. just his way or no way nt msongs Mar 2020 #15
And definitely not a team player. calimary Mar 2020 #19
Proof that he would not be a good president. pazzyanne Mar 2020 #17
you mean he cares more about stopping a pandemic than the election? jorgevlorgan Mar 2020 #18
NO.. reporters DARE Ask him questions that he Cha Mar 2020 #20
so Bernie's the bad guy for being concerned about solving a global crisis? jorgevlorgan Mar 2020 #21
BS LOST.. and it's Not About him.. Everyone is Cha Mar 2020 #22
He never said it was about him. jorgevlorgan Mar 2020 #23
BS said "I'm dealing with a fucking global crisis." Cha Mar 2020 #25
"we" as in everybody in congress? jorgevlorgan Mar 2020 #27
It gives him no excuse to be rude and insulting to the reporter. Cha Mar 2020 #31
he was not the rude one. jorgevlorgan Mar 2020 #34
Aww the reporter made him do it. lol Cha Mar 2020 #35
the reporter violated basic human boundaries jorgevlorgan Mar 2020 #36
That's What Reporters Do, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2020 #45
agreed. and they generally expect the consequences of it. jorgevlorgan Mar 2020 #47
The Man Lacks Grace Under Pressure, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2020 #53
Give it up. The posters here will never understand and really do not want a unifired peaceful party Rilgin Mar 2020 #58
That's exaggerated treestar Mar 2020 #64
in the world yes, on this site, Bernie is and has been the main target of relentless attacks Rilgin Mar 2020 #69
Seems like there were plenty of Biden attacks treestar Mar 2020 #70
Again yes they occur but just look at the greatest page right now Rilgin Mar 2020 #71
Only someone dishonest or a complete fool thinks that these questions violated any boundaries. Aquaria Mar 2020 #55
I dig how you move the goalposts so deftly.. LanternWaste Mar 2020 #61
Huh? The reporters gets to ask the question treestar Mar 2020 #62
Is Sanders back in DC or not? BidenBacker Mar 2020 #26
i don't know where he is.. the last I heard he was being rude Cha Mar 2020 #32
Well, if Bernie ain't back in Washington BidenBacker Mar 2020 #37
Another thread BidenBacker Mar 2020 #38
Thank you.. Exactly. Cha Mar 2020 #41
This message was self-deleted by its author BidenBacker Mar 2020 #28
Reporters are paid to ask rude questions, that's their job Walleye Mar 2020 #30
Bernie did not vote on the Coronavirus preparedness supplemental appropriations bill. I would emmaverybo Mar 2020 #78
My question to Bernie would be BidenBacker Mar 2020 #24
At least he didn't tell a construction worker he was full of sh*t peequod Mar 2020 #29
BS LOST JOE BIDEN WON Cha Mar 2020 #33
And? I'm hear to provide context for the micro-memoried around here. peequod Mar 2020 #39
And, The Majority of Voters in all the Super Tuesdays Don't Care Cha Mar 2020 #42
Yes, the voters don't care what Biden said or how he voted in the past peequod Mar 2020 #46
They care about what's important like Biden's Experience Cha Mar 2020 #50
"Handsy Joe Biden was frequently mean spirited"? lapucelle Mar 2020 #77
Most People Like Mr. Biden Telling That Fool He Was Full Of Shit, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2020 #40
The young man was respectfully reading a question from his phone. peequod Mar 2020 #43
It's The First Thing Mr. Biden's Done In His Career Made Me Like Him, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2020 #48
Really, that's the first thing Biden's done to make you like him? peequod Mar 2020 #72
There Are None So Blind, Sir, As Those Who Will Not See The Magistrate Mar 2020 #73
"There are none so blind, etc..?" peequod Mar 2020 #80
After Four Days, Sir, You Come Back With This? The Magistrate Mar 2020 #83
This is no feeble "Lord!" in my book, Sir. peequod Mar 2020 #84
Nice To Have A Dependable Source For Comic Relief, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2020 #85
Only in bizarro land did it happen that way Aquaria Mar 2020 #57
Bernie is pretty Pro-Gun, to be fair, so the Berniebots will go the same way. OnDoutside Mar 2020 #59
How does Bernie handle things like that? treestar Mar 2020 #66
Put me down as a "yes" to what Joe said to that gun-loving goon BidenBacker Mar 2020 #44
Welcome To The Forum, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2020 #49
Oh, nicely put! ucrdem Mar 2020 #60
No, he underpaid his female staffers Aquaria Mar 2020 #56
Amen to that peequod!!! Devil Child Mar 2020 #63
the construction worker was claiming Biden took a position he didn't treestar Mar 2020 #65
Well, the difference is that Biden has a reputation for graciousness, calmness, empathy, affability emmaverybo Mar 2020 #79
Maybe he was just hangry. lapucelle Mar 2020 #52
Anger is fear in translation. What's Senator Sanders afraid of? nt littlemissmartypants Mar 2020 #54
He's always testy about being asked questions he hasn't approved beforehand KitSileya Mar 2020 #67
Another reason Bernie shouldn't be President. Happy Hoosier Mar 2020 #68
NYT has an interesting article Gothmog Mar 2020 #74
Shower Cap.. love him.. thanks Goth! Cha Mar 2020 #82
Calm down, Bernie! We don't have your medical records, so we don't know what could happen! n/t zackymilly Mar 2020 #75
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