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BidenBacker

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43. Dumb response
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 02:03 PM
Mar 2020

but not unexpected. Since you refuse to do your homework I guess others will have to do it for you. Fortunately I spent many hours if not days researching this back in the mid-2000s when I was posting on WaPo, so I'll try to give it to you in a nutshell.

Biden & Lugar tried to reel in Dubya by introducing an intermediate resolution between doing nothing (which was not a realsitic option) and a full-blown carte blanche AUMF. It would have required that Dubya & Gang do everything possible before attacking/invading Iraq...stuff like economic sanctions and diplomacy to allow our inspectors back in so they could check things out. Also would have required UN support to get an international coalition on board.

If Dubya & Big Dick & Rummy had exhausted all possibilities it woulda then required that they come back to Congress and prove to them that they had indeed done all they could and that there were no other options besides the last resort of using military force before getting a final approval to go whack 'em. Lugar & Chuck Hagel could only get so many Republicans on board so they went to Joe and said "you need to get X amount of your Democrats to vote for it" and we think we can get it through. Joe got all the Dems together and got some to commit to signing up but not enough. Boxer & Wyden left the meeting arm-in-arm laughing so I blame them too. Another rigid ideologue who refused to compromise one iota was your good ol' beloved Bernie Sanders.

As a result of this and also Rep Gephardt who had presidential ambitions at the time making a backroom deal with Bush and backstabbing the Dems before Biden could get more Dems on board it all fell apart and we ended up with the now infamous AUMF that Bush & Cheney & Rumsfeld then put into action before the ink was even dry. In all likelihood it woulda passed even if Biden and Clinton had not voted for it...I believe the Senate was around 50-50 at that time so it was unrealistic to expect no Dems wouldn't vote for it in the aftermath of 9/11, after all...what with all the drumbeating for war and pressure the right was putting on Democrats.

We had a chance to put a leash on Dubya and take a common sense approach but Bernie and others refused to take even a single step to meet guys like Biden, Durbin, Hagel, Lugar and others halfway and we all know what happened after that. Stick that in your Bernie pipe and smoke it.

Tired of this Sanders revisionist history bullshit.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
Uffda! MineralMan Mar 2020 #1
Just drink the Kool Aid, bro. Ignore the inconvenient truths... for the team. zonkers Mar 2020 #2
Truth? Give me the lead up to that vote and lets see how much truth you have. LizBeth Mar 2020 #5
I'm with you. Biden. Biden Biden. What time do the shadow corona briefings start? zonkers Mar 2020 #6
Please don't let Sanders' decisive loss affect the morale. NCProgressive Mar 2020 #11
Or maybe Biden could padah513 Mar 2020 #18
Ding!! Cha Mar 2020 #76
So you can't or won't say the truth of it. Just a one sentence diss. LizBeth Mar 2020 #42
BS Lost.. and he Spent 3x MORE $$$$ than Biden to do it. Cha Mar 2020 #75
What does this have to do with covid 19? tirebiter Mar 2020 #8
Disingenuous at best. NCProgressive Mar 2020 #10
Nice one. spudspud Mar 2020 #15
The Worf reply is the good reply. :) nt Sloumeau Mar 2020 #38
Oh please. Turin_C3PO Mar 2020 #12
Meanwhile Bernie can miss even more important votes by singing kumbyah with a pack ... marble falls Mar 2020 #28
Bush and Republicans put us in Iraq. Quit blaming the Dems. Republicans own it. LizBeth Mar 2020 #3
Matt Orfalea continues to be both pathetic and cluless. :) nt Sloumeau Mar 2020 #4
It's hard to figure what's worse -- a punk or a R B Garr Mar 2020 #7
I wish that cabal would just disappear. nt William769 Mar 2020 #9
Does anybody even care any more? Nobody is paying attention to Bernie The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2020 #13
About the Iraq War? A lot of people do, yeah. DanTex Mar 2020 #16
Nobody cares about Bernie and the bros any more The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2020 #17
Some people still care about the Iraq War. In Iraq especially. DanTex Mar 2020 #24
Everybody acknowledges the Iraq war was a colossal disaster. The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2020 #30
I don't know why you keep saying "nobody" cares. DanTex Mar 2020 #34
Some so-called "progressives," whose definition still escapes me, The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2020 #37
Worked Great For Labour And Corbyn, Ma'am The Magistrate Mar 2020 #40
It sure did, Sir. The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2020 #54
Yeah, the Iraqus have been blaming Biden for the Iraq war for two generations now. beastie boy Mar 2020 #39
Everyone who voted for it shares responsibility, obviously. DanTex Mar 2020 #41
Obviously. So how many times since 1994 have you assigned shared responsibility to anyone but Biden? beastie boy Mar 2020 #46
You mean like Obama did in 2008 running against Clinton? Is that your question? DanTex Mar 2020 #48
No, I don't "mean like", and this is obviously not my question. beastie boy Mar 2020 #53
Yes, that was your question. And Obama most definitely brought up HRC's vote in the 2008 DanTex Mar 2020 #56
So now you are telling me what I mean, despite knowing full well that you are making it up. beastie boy Mar 2020 #58
Getting meta LOL. I think people can decide for themselves whether they care about the DanTex Mar 2020 #60
The people have decided. beastie boy Mar 2020 #67
Well, they almost have. Not quite over yet. DanTex Mar 2020 #69
You are confusing me for someone who worries. beastie boy Mar 2020 #71
Well, then no worries! DanTex Mar 2020 #72
In this case, I am looking forward to you embarrassing yourself again! beastie boy Mar 2020 #73
As long as you talk about Bernie's own history on war in Iraq... ehrnst Mar 2020 #84
BS LOST.. & he Spent 3x MORE $$$$$ to do It. Cha Mar 2020 #78
About Iraq.... ehrnst Mar 2020 #83
Not as many as some would like to think. George II Mar 2020 #20
True, sadly, people tend to forget or ignore the lessons from history. DanTex Mar 2020 #23
Wailing and gnashing of teeth here in 2020 won't change anything from 2003-2004.... George II Mar 2020 #26
Bernie could have helped Biden prevent the war BidenBacker Mar 2020 #27
LOL. Umm, Biden could have just voted against it like Bernie did. DanTex Mar 2020 #35
Dumb response BidenBacker Mar 2020 #43
LOL. You can write another twenty pages if you want but it won't change the fact that Bernie voted DanTex Mar 2020 #47
And this is why BidenBacker Mar 2020 #49
No, the reason is that voters think Biden is more electable. Exit polls make that clear. DanTex Mar 2020 #50
Hey, pal BidenBacker Mar 2020 #52
Biden voted for IWR, Bernie voted against it. Not complicated. You're the one rationalizing. DanTex Mar 2020 #55
Since you're not much of a reader I'll assume you're into videos instead BidenBacker Mar 2020 #59
Very clever dodge! DanTex Mar 2020 #61
LOL BidenBacker Mar 2020 #63
LOL. Did you just call your own post "informative"? Really? DanTex Mar 2020 #64
Hopeless BidenBacker Mar 2020 #65
It always comes down to Bernie being somehow cheated out of his rightful nomination. sop Mar 2020 #79
Who said anything about "cheated"? You're making things up. DanTex Mar 2020 #81
I've been reading that Bernie not voting on the relief package didn't matter onenote Mar 2020 #44
Hey, one BidenBacker Mar 2020 #51
Click on the person's name at the top of the post Just_Vote_Dem Mar 2020 #57
Thanks a lot, JVD BidenBacker Mar 2020 #62
LOL, you're welcome Just_Vote_Dem Mar 2020 #66
Hey, JVD BidenBacker Mar 2020 #68
Whoops, sorry about that Just_Vote_Dem Mar 2020 #70
If you supported Hillary, then you know how it is that Sanders' Iraq accusations R B Garr Mar 2020 #25
How is that? The Iraq War was a serious error, possibly the worst policy decision in DanTex Mar 2020 #32
I was talking about using "Iraq" as a wedge issue. You supported Hillary, so R B Garr Mar 2020 #36
Sanders has been playing the Iraq war card for five years NCProgressive Mar 2020 #14
Haven't seen a face like that since my last copy of "MAD" magazine, but Alfred made Atticus Mar 2020 #19
He reminds me of Richie from King of Queens, who was infinitely more intelligent: George II Mar 2020 #21
Scumbag BidenBacker Mar 2020 #22
I have to wonder what side they are actually on Walleye Mar 2020 #31
Seriously, this has gone on long enough Docreed2003 Mar 2020 #29
Has Sanders been confronted with this? Akakoji Mar 2020 #33
She would have left him long ago if she wasn't like him. Hortensis Mar 2020 #45
Some context.. Matt Orfalea really likes to use the word "retarded" - he even defends it. Cha Mar 2020 #74
When can we consider Sanders not a Democrat and not afforded the protections here at DU? dem4decades Mar 2020 #77
As if anyone believes a Democrat would start a war, invade another country for no good reason. betsuni Mar 2020 #80
So much for not going negative... ehrnst Mar 2020 #82
Damn I didn't realize that Biden was President back then Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #85
Look at that face, you think there's a brain behind it? George II Mar 2020 #86
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