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Gothmog

(152,007 posts)
49. Bernie Sanders didn't win any larger argument
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 03:09 PM
Mar 2020

In the real world, sanders did not win any major argument https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/bernie-sanders-didnt-win-any-larger-argument/2020/03/19/39b9a402-69f2-11ea-9923-57073adce27c_story.html

As pressure mounts for Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) to abandon his presidential bid, a narrative seems to have taken hold among his supporters and on cable TV, and it goes like this: Sanders may have all but lost the nomination fight, but he won the larger ideological argument, and he’s fundamentally changed the Democratic Party. His movement must be reckoned with.

To which I can only say: If this is what it looks like to win the argument, I struggle to imagine what it would look like to lose. In any way that counts, Sanders’s vision for the party has been soundly and consistently rejected....

This idea that Sanders has somehow won, even while we all thought he was losing, seems to rest on two assertions: one, that exit polls tell us the voters actually agree with his proposal for nationalized health care; and two, that he changed the conversation to the point where all the candidates were forced to adopt his agenda.

Neither withstands much scrutiny.

Let’s be real. Exit polls are all fine and good, but votes are votes. If Democrats really sided that strongly with Sanders on the issue they routinely say is the most important in the campaign, he’d be winning.

A raft of other polls on health care will tell you that it all depends on how you ask the question. According to one conducted last month by the Kaiser Family Foundation, most people who say they support Medicare-for-all also think they’d be able to keep their own insurance. (Under Sanders’s plan, they wouldn’t.)

And if you ask them to choose between building on the foundation President Barack Obama laid or a Sanders-style overhaul, a strong majority chooses the more moderate approach.....

And in his second run for the nomination, Sanders has performed not better but worse, failing to turn out the huge numbers of younger voters he predicted. In fact, you could say Sanders’s trajectory is the exact opposite of Reagan’s; while much of the media (me included) assumed he and Warren spoke for an ascendant wing of the party during the Trump years, it turns out the uprising was more limited than we thought.

Sure, Biden should say all the right things to unite his party. Sure, he’ll be willing to give some things away in the party platform, which has about as much influence on governing as I do on the Yankees’ lineup.

But hard as this may be for some millennials to accept, there’s only one winner here. Sanders doesn’t get a participation trophy.
The only thing he’s owed is a chance to exit with grace.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
I'm sure Lori Lightfoot would have something to say about that..... George II Mar 2020 #1
+1 n/t ZenDem Mar 2020 #2
Dammit George, pull your head out of the sand, it's all about that magic Blue_true Mar 2020 #39
Thank You For The Laugh, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2020 #3
How is that relevant to Bernie's remaining in the race? MineralMan Mar 2020 #4
Ridiculous, isn't it? NurseJackie Mar 2020 #7
Beyond That, Sir, It Presumes No One Changes The Magistrate Mar 2020 #13
Thank your for your seasoned insights, Sir. MineralMan Mar 2020 #15
Your Post, Sir, Puts Me in Mind of the 1990 Film, "Slacker" MineralMan Mar 2020 #18
Most Of Them Will Grow All The Way Up, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2020 #19
Perhaps You Are Correct in That, Sir. MineralMan Mar 2020 #20
Doubtless, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2020 #22
Political Theory Is, It Seems, Rarely Put into Practice Unaltered. MineralMan Mar 2020 #23
Greed, Tribalism, Emotional Attachments, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2020 #24
That Clarifies Things Nicely, Sir, MineralMan Mar 2020 #32
Actually Something Of A Socialist Myself, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2020 #33
As am I, philosophically. MineralMan Mar 2020 #36
A lot of Sanders' rhetoric reminds me of the '60s The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2020 #27
My Views Have A Similar Root, Ma'am The Magistrate Mar 2020 #29
You know. Blue_true Mar 2020 #40
The whole state of Illinois has legal marijuana frazzled Mar 2020 #5
Haaaaaa! NurseJackie Mar 2020 #6
Sanders has done more to prevent minimum wage increases than he has to enact them. W_HAMILTON Mar 2020 #8
Funny, people are claiming he's changing Chicago, but when it's pointed out.... George II Mar 2020 #12
LOL, I didn't even know that factoid -- oof! W_HAMILTON Mar 2020 #21
Remember the Simon and Garfunkel line from the song "The Boxer" Blue_true Mar 2020 #41
That Is A Favorite Song The Magistrate Mar 2020 #46
Love minus zero, no limit tirebiter Mar 2020 #9
Written by bro Edward McLelland lol NCProgressive Mar 2020 #10
Legal weed and higher minimum wage basically every schoolkid's dream since forever. Scurrilous Mar 2020 #42
Looking at some of the Bernie biased articles NCProgressive Mar 2020 #43
Treacly Matt Taibbi comes to mind. It's a disgrace he has the job that Hunter S. Thompson once held. Scurrilous Mar 2020 #44
That Last Is Worth An O.P., Sir The Magistrate Mar 2020 #45
Done. Scurrilous Mar 2020 #47
gee i had most of those "ideas' 40 yrs ago. where has he been all that time? nt msongs Mar 2020 #11
Bernie may have lost Illinois, but msongs changed Chicago. Codeine Mar 2020 #37
Yep. They have inherited a mess and are determined to change the power structure despite BeckyDem Mar 2020 #14
.... Uncle Joe Mar 2020 #16
In solidarity my friend. BeckyDem Mar 2020 #17
More losing is winning! You know who else always claims losing is winning? MrsCoffee Mar 2020 #25
Chicago is being gentrified. RandySF Mar 2020 #26
Blue states have been on this before Sanders. Why does he get the credit? Our state Democrats have LizBeth Mar 2020 #28
Sigh Me. Mar 2020 #30
. Squinch Mar 2020 #31
Joe won Cook county and all the collar counties by an average of about 25% LuvLoogie Mar 2020 #34
Champaign is a college town... George II Mar 2020 #35
Both issues way preceded Sanders running for President. Blue_true Mar 2020 #38
Yeah! MyNameGoesHere Mar 2020 #48
Bernie Sanders didn't win any larger argument Gothmog Mar 2020 #49
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