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DanTex

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44. Really? The Greens are responsible for the 90s deregulation, welfare reform, crime bill, etc?

Mon Mar 23, 2020, 03:09 PM

Mar 2020

I have nothing but scorn for the Green Party and Nader in particular. But it's impossible to blame Nader's 2000 run for policies that Bill Clinton pushed in the 90s. And it's also impossible to blame Nader for votes that centrist Dems in congress cast.

Actually, all that centrism makes life doubly hard for people like me -- progressives that also vote Blue no matter Who without qualification. First, I have to watch Wall Street get deregulated and prisons get crowded and Iraq get invaded. And then, I have to try to convince would-be Green voters not to be idiots, which is made more difficult when Ds support those kinds of policies.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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It was about the messanger(s) [View all] question everything Mar 2020 OP

Yay centrism! It brought us the Iraq War, NAFTA, DOMA, Financial Deregulation, Prison Overcrowding, DanTex Mar 2020 #1

Glad to see you so happy about this! William769 Mar 2020 #2

I am not going to list all the misery that socialist governments have brought on their citizens question everything Mar 2020 #3

Of course! If not for the Iraq War, we'd be like the Soviet Union!!! There's no other option! DanTex Mar 2020 #5

And the left/Greens gave us that war courtesy of Ralph Nader...imagine a world where Gore won. Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #38

No one's saying socialism is the answer. Turin_C3PO Mar 2020 #6

AOC is a member of the DSA. TwilightZone Mar 2020 #8

Ok but Turin_C3PO Mar 2020 #11

She is a justice Democrat unless I am mistaken...I like socialist better than that group. Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #35

I'm not really familiar with that group, Turin_C3PO Mar 2020 #37

Good thing Biden isn't a centrist, then. TwilightZone Mar 2020 #7

Well he sure seemed like a centrist when he supported every single one of those things. DanTex Mar 2020 #9

And you would be wrong. Still. TwilightZone Mar 2020 #10

LOL. I love appeals to the chart. Yes, that proves that voting for the Iraq War, and DOMA, DanTex Mar 2020 #12

You're the one claiming Biden is a centrist. TwilightZone Mar 2020 #13

Yes, based on his extensive centrist voting record. DanTex Mar 2020 #14

Oh, bullshit. TwilightZone Mar 2020 #15

I'm not denying that. DanTex Mar 2020 #17

You were not wrong...Sanders was not electable ...he would have lost the general...massively Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #29

That's who I thought that was. Thank you confirming. William769 Mar 2020 #16

Did you go to link he provided? Informing one's opinion never hurts. marble falls Mar 2020 #26

Sanders voted for some of the same things. brush Mar 2020 #31

That is such nonsense...the left always mistakes words for important actions...what has Bernie ever Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #33

Most people got the memo that Sanders lost decisively NCProgressive Mar 2020 #18

Of course progressives will keep fighting for progressive policies. DanTex Mar 2020 #19

Why fight against Biden? Why not fight against Trump and the republicans instead? NCProgressive Mar 2020 #20

Pointing out that Biden doesn't support Medicare for All is hardly "fighting" him. DanTex Mar 2020 #23

It will be too late. We won't have time to raise the money we need...his supporters will remain Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #27

The tiny and faint glimmer of hope that Bernie may still win this is doing wonders NCProgressive Mar 2020 #36

So he doesn't .... what is the point of it? Biden won fair and square and won decisively NCProgressive Mar 2020 #34

Perhaps the left/Greens could consider fighting Republicans instead of Democrats and costing us Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #28

Why do you keep talking about the Greens? I'm not a Green. Bernie's not a Green. DanTex Mar 2020 #41

Stein was where the anti -Hillary votes on the left went last time...so it is a coalition of sorts Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #48

More Bernie voters in 2016 voted for HRC than HRC voters in 2008 voted for Obama. DanTex Mar 2020 #51

The primaries are over. Time to fight trump now not other Dems. brush Mar 2020 #39

I find it hilarious that the same people who think the red-baiting Communist smears DanTex Mar 2020 #42

Seriously, you don't think it's over? Will you vote Biden? brush Mar 2020 #43

Of course I'll vote for Biden. DanTex Mar 2020 #45

Actually Dan, it was brought on by leftist / Greens who refused to vote for multiple Democratic Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #21

Well, if we go that way, there's a lot of blame to go around. DanTex Mar 2020 #32

What does your selective outrage have to do with the OP? beastie boy Mar 2020 #22

No Dan as I pointed out all of those things were brought about by left/Greens not supporting our Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #40

Really? The Greens are responsible for the 90s deregulation, welfare reform, crime bill, etc? DanTex Mar 2020 #44

So now we go back to the 90's? How about starting in 2000? In fact, after Reagan became president. Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #47

Well said PatSeg Mar 2020 #4

We do need to go a little more 'left'. marble falls Mar 2020 #24

We don't. We need suburban Moms and AA voters who tend to be moderate to conserative...our Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #25

Social distancing precludes old school revolution. Baked Potato Mar 2020 #30

Bernie Sanders didn't win any larger argument Gothmog Mar 2020 #46

Great post...was this an OP...really excellent...if it wasn't, it should be. Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #49

Okay Gothmog Mar 2020 #50

Unions Are Not Big Supporters of M4All - That's a Problem for Dem Politicians Indykatie Mar 2020 #52

100% agree. ucrdem Mar 2020 #53

Useless, divisive thread. Laelth Mar 2020 #54

I would like him to build a concensus Kerrycrat Mar 2020 #55