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Celerity

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19. I really think it is Jane Sanders who was the driving force behind all the rotten eggs surrounding
Wed Mar 25, 2020, 02:37 PM
Mar 2020

Sanders. But the bucks stops with Bernie, as he signed off on it ALL.

At times I wonder if he is a Trojan Horse candidate, design to sheepdog the left and also discredit it. I actually agree with a LOT of his programmes and proposals, but they will never pass in the reactionary stew that is the American political superstructure. I live in a nation (Sweden atm) where none of his proposals (overall, if not exact copies) are new, all have been in place for decades. He also (as I have railed on about for hundreds of posts here and there and everywhere) falsely self labels as a democratic socialist, which is NOT at all what his programmes are, there are simply bog standard social democracy. He poison pills it all by ramming them under a fake and false 'socialist' umbrella.

He would be laughed at (and is) here when he claims the Nordics are socialist nations. Our capitalist sectors are actually more vibrant (even though, if not BECAUSE of them being much more highly regulated than the US model.) We are more productive per hour worked and have FAR higher upward social mobility (the only nation with lower upward social mobility in the entire OECD is the UK), plus vastly more wealth equality. Ironically, per capita, Sweden does all that with a greater per capita percentage of (in US dollars) billionaires than the US has, so it is not like one cannot become massively wealthy here at all.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
That whole campaign is based upon lies and fantasies NCProgressive Mar 2020 #1
did bernie vote on the bill. if so did he vote yes? nt msongs Mar 2020 #2
It's not what you know, it's what you can lie about. Hortensis Mar 2020 #3
That Was One Helluva Movie, Ma'am The Magistrate Mar 2020 #9
"Training Day" was a very good movie. Blue_true Mar 2020 #38
What baloney! NurseJackie Mar 2020 #4
God forbid someone say something nice about Bernie Sanders on DU!!!! BComplex Mar 2020 #5
Is it "Bernie bashing" when it's pointed out that his Communications Director is lying about him? George II Mar 2020 #13
George, if you can't read the posts on this thread and ask if it's Bernie bashing, BComplex Mar 2020 #14
Again, it's pointing out that David Sirota is lying about Sanders' involvement in the negotiations.. George II Mar 2020 #16
Just think cult. William769 Mar 2020 #27
No One Doubts You Are Incapable Of Explaining Your Claim, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2020 #21
His campaign is passing off an untruth. To make the claim made throws mud into the faces of Blue_true Mar 2020 #39
I gotta say BC, he is bringing alot of it on himself lately DENVERPOPS Mar 2020 #17
Wow.. Thank you fo that, Denver! Cha Mar 2020 #42
Done with Democrats working their ass off for us and Sanders coming up saying they are do nothing LizBeth Mar 2020 #32
Please stop deflecting.. Was BS part of the negotiations or Not? Cha Mar 2020 #40
I guess BS called that one in. honest.abe Mar 2020 #6
The unemployments provision has Senator Elizabeth Warren written all over it. Blue_true Mar 2020 #41
Sirota seems to think that Sanders invented... Sloumeau Mar 2020 #7
He was the chief engineer and construction manager for the Edmund Pettus Bridge. George II Mar 2020 #15
ROFL Sloumeau Mar 2020 #20
Or That Year Either, Ma'am The Magistrate Mar 2020 #22
Holy fuck - he popped in for 10 minutes Monday after being in Vermont since Wednesday afternoon.... George II Mar 2020 #8
David Sirota got fired from a Philly campaign 20 years ago for a racially charged "dirty trick" Celerity Mar 2020 #10
Thanks, I thought of that incident when I saw the OP, didn't know where to look for it.... George II Mar 2020 #11
I really think it is Jane Sanders who was the driving force behind all the rotten eggs surrounding Celerity Mar 2020 #19
100% of salary? I'm sure most people that are really hurting are not paid a salary. LiberalFighter Mar 2020 #12
"Salary" has become broadly used to refer to ANY paycheck, even ones earned by hourly labor. nt Blue_true Mar 2020 #43
Only by those that receive a salary. LiberalFighter Mar 2020 #46
True. But the point is, the term is now used to apply to ALL wage earners. Blue_true Mar 2020 #47
I disagree LiberalFighter Mar 2020 #48
It's pointless for me to keep explaining how the term has morphed Blue_true Mar 2020 #49
I have been in the work force long enough. LiberalFighter Mar 2020 #50
You may be right, my perspective may be different. Blue_true Mar 2020 #52
I worked in an industry that has both salary and hourly. LiberalFighter Mar 2020 #53
Looks like it was Michael Bennett (and five co-signers) who accomplished this: George II Mar 2020 #18
Angus King has, and will continue to be, the best Independent senator out there. W_HAMILTON Mar 2020 #25
Thank you kind sir. William769 Mar 2020 #28
I just noticed - the Hackbarth tweet was 17 hours BEFORE Sirota's, which was at almost 2:00 AM.... George II Mar 2020 #23
He sent his prayers and concerns. marble falls Mar 2020 #24
I'll tell you who deserves credit for improving the Senate Bill BlueIdaho Mar 2020 #26
Back in Brooklyn in the 1950s we used a different word. George II Mar 2020 #31
This is just one of the things that pisses me off most about Sanders. His constant only others work LizBeth Mar 2020 #29
All his life! A kibbutz threw him out for that very reason robbedvoter Mar 2020 #36
Yes, to not having a job until Mayor to accomplishing nothing three decades of congress. LizBeth Mar 2020 #37
Is that the David Sirota who was telling people not to vote for Hillary in the general election? still_one Mar 2020 #30
The very same person... comradebillyboy Mar 2020 #33
Oh my......... still_one Mar 2020 #34
Last bill, Pelosi negotiated with Mnuchin, after 🍊 signed, bros said: robbedvoter Mar 2020 #35
If it wasn't for Joe Biden BidenBacker Mar 2020 #44
Bernie also invented sliced bread and the weekend! Happy Hoosier Mar 2020 #45
I don't think you can disagree with Bernie's rant on the Senate floor today dflprincess Mar 2020 #51
Sounds about right. DT & BS, in the minds of their avid supporters, will get credit whether it's... Tarheel_Dem Mar 2020 #54
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