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Congratulations to our presumptive Democratic nominee, Joe Biden!
Democratic Primaries
In reply to the discussion: Here's something Bernie Sanders appears not to understand. [View all]Gothmog
(154,040 posts)102. Why Can't Bernie Accept That Democratic Voters Didn't Want Him?
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Even many progressives who accept Bidens nomination as a conscious, non-flukey choice by Democratic voters have insisted on portraying the Sanders agenda as the true winner. Many of them have cited polls showing a majority of Democratic primary voters favoring Medicare for All.
It is certainly true that most Democrats would prefer a single-payer system. I would absolutely prefer a single-payer system, and would happily pay higher taxes to say good-bye forever to employer-sponsored insurance. But Democrats are not unaware that Biden opposed this policy. It was heavily nay, obsessively litigated throughout the campaign. The topic consumed large portions of almost every single debate. If Democrats overwhelmingly chose Biden anyway, perhaps they bought his argument that the political barriers to full single payer are prohibitive, and that building on Obamacare to expand coverage makes more sense.
The Sanders campaign was highly successful in turning the race into an ideological referendum. What Sanders failed to anticipate is that doing so would ensure his defeat. Asked last year if they would rather see the Democratic Party become more liberal or become more moderate, Democrats chose more moderate by a 54-41 percent margin. Slightly more than half of its voters identify as either moderate or conservative, and slightly less than half identify as liberal. And Biden ate heavily into the liberal vote, dominating among those who identified as somewhat liberal.
The Democratic Establishment certainly played an important role in the contest. Its party elite helped coordinate the non-Bernie vote, foiling his plan to capture the nomination without expanding his share much beyond a third. The Sanders movement has remained genuinely indignant that it was unable to win the nomination and steer the party in a direction opposite of the desire of most of its voters by exploiting a divided opposition. But the Sanders plan for minority-faction rule, while it briefly seemed likely to prevail, always required denying the rest of the party a chance to vote up or down on his revolution. He lost for one simple reason: The process gave the voters, right or wrong, what they wanted.
It is certainly true that most Democrats would prefer a single-payer system. I would absolutely prefer a single-payer system, and would happily pay higher taxes to say good-bye forever to employer-sponsored insurance. But Democrats are not unaware that Biden opposed this policy. It was heavily nay, obsessively litigated throughout the campaign. The topic consumed large portions of almost every single debate. If Democrats overwhelmingly chose Biden anyway, perhaps they bought his argument that the political barriers to full single payer are prohibitive, and that building on Obamacare to expand coverage makes more sense.
The Sanders campaign was highly successful in turning the race into an ideological referendum. What Sanders failed to anticipate is that doing so would ensure his defeat. Asked last year if they would rather see the Democratic Party become more liberal or become more moderate, Democrats chose more moderate by a 54-41 percent margin. Slightly more than half of its voters identify as either moderate or conservative, and slightly less than half identify as liberal. And Biden ate heavily into the liberal vote, dominating among those who identified as somewhat liberal.
The Democratic Establishment certainly played an important role in the contest. Its party elite helped coordinate the non-Bernie vote, foiling his plan to capture the nomination without expanding his share much beyond a third. The Sanders movement has remained genuinely indignant that it was unable to win the nomination and steer the party in a direction opposite of the desire of most of its voters by exploiting a divided opposition. But the Sanders plan for minority-faction rule, while it briefly seemed likely to prevail, always required denying the rest of the party a chance to vote up or down on his revolution. He lost for one simple reason: The process gave the voters, right or wrong, what they wanted.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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Please, don't stereotype that time as "old 60's." That era was ahead of its time.
ancianita
Mar 2020
#16
I was in college, working two jobs, and saw it, too. Defining it by a small percentage of its worst
ancianita
Mar 2020
#42
My Problem With Bernie Has Always Been His View That Racial Ills Could Be Solved with a $15/Hr Wage
Indykatie
Mar 2020
#13
You took that word, ide fixe right out of my little brain before I could get it out and check the
emmaverybo
Mar 2020
#55
Very well done. I'm an old white man too, who grew up in the same general area and generation....
George II
Mar 2020
#26
Well said MM. I discussed your post with my wife just now and it lead us to google MLK and
c-rational
Mar 2020
#28
"Economic Justice cannot undo Social Injustice. It is the reverse that is true, actually."
NurseJackie
Mar 2020
#38
Your are like me in many ways but much more articulate. My wealthy sister and I had an argument
Pepsidog
Mar 2020
#45
"always has.", you'd think that as a socialist Bernie would know that and believe it.
marble falls
Mar 2020
#49
Its basis is to make economics a level playing field for all. That's never been accomplished ...
marble falls
Mar 2020
#63
"Unifying" is a moot complaint at this point. Either you're with the Democrats, or you're with Trump
LongtimeAZDem
Mar 2020
#70
No, I'm saying that anyone who doesn't vote for the Democratic nominee is for Trump
LongtimeAZDem
Mar 2020
#90
My Fox news watching 60 yr old white brother said something interesting the other day on the phone.
LizBeth
Mar 2020
#72
He didn't realize what he had said out loud, and it is fact so not necessarily observant.
LizBeth
Mar 2020
#82
I volunteer at a local Presbyterian church, so I don't need a lecture from you!
dubyadiprecession
Mar 2020
#94