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78. This is a classic example of Bernie at work

Wed Apr 1, 2020, 09:56 AM

Apr 2020

From an article I just posted...

Sanders also pledged to raise $16.3 trillion to fund the Green New Deal and combat climate change, relying on new taxes imposed on the fossil fuel industry and cuts to defense spending.

Okay, let's crunch a few numbers and help ol' Bern out a little. Our projected total defense budget for 2021 is around $740 billion. Tell ya what, let's slash that to, oh I dunno...let's say ZERO. We can sell all our fighters to Russia and aircraft carriers to China to eliminate all those nasty storage costs. So over a decade that would save us around $7.4 trillion. Cool, as long as nobody attacks us because we ain't got no military any more to defend ourselves.

But Bernie needs $16.3 trillion for his Green New Deal (a hugely lowball number, BTW) so we're still almost $9 trillion short. Hey, let's tax them evil fossil fuel companies, Sanders says! Wait a second, we couldn't even get $9 trillion for 'em if we nationalized them and sold off all their assets, so taxing them ain't gonna cut it. Commence armwaving.

Duping people is not good for democracy.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Bernie Sanders Says Medicare for All Would Provide "Quality Care" During Pandemic [View all] Uncle Joe Mar 2020 OP

Even the magical health care for all Watchfoxheadexplodes Mar 2020 #1

Which is why Bernie just spoke about the personal costs associated with it ON TOP AtheistCrusader Mar 2020 #5

So why does Bernie even mention "quality care", if M4A does not address it? beastie boy Mar 2020 #16

Well, I have a personal take on it, but I would have to look for his precise meaning. AtheistCrusader Mar 2020 #25

A universal healthcare system doesn't place value on stockpiling either. beastie boy Mar 2020 #54

Bernie should DownriverDem Mar 2020 #24

This plague customerserviceguy Mar 2020 #51

He's been in Washington for almost 30 years, what has he done to enact his "m4a"? It takes.... George II Mar 2020 #41

I can't believe that Sanders and his surrogates and his supporters are politicizing this... George II Mar 2020 #43

Well, I don't think he's suggesting that we could snap fingers, AtheistCrusader Mar 2020 #44

So, since you brought up H1N1 elsewhere here (that was 11 years ago), what has he DONE.... George II Mar 2020 #47

I don't think he's been particularly effective on this point. AtheistCrusader Mar 2020 #53

Let's see, in Washington since 1991 and "he's had recent success just building support".... George II Mar 2020 #55

My enthusiasm for his effectiveness is a low point. AtheistCrusader Mar 2020 #57

The Voters Rejected BS and his agenda who Spent 4x More Cha Mar 2020 #65

Just setting aside the strains on our current dysfunctional system for a moment. Uncle Joe Mar 2020 #6

You touched all the bases: George II Mar 2020 #42

And you completely avoided the keystone of the issue: AtheistCrusader Mar 2020 #46

I don't deal in buzzwords and catch phrases. None of these things Sanders is talking about.... George II Mar 2020 #48

Awesome. So that means you CAN address this. AtheistCrusader Mar 2020 #50

Italy..think Italy with universal health care. Imagine M4a with dotard in charge..no thank you! Thekaspervote Mar 2020 #58

Actually, polling shows that people want the option of private insurance. ehrnst Apr 2020 #94

That is still a failure to contain the disease, initially. tirebiter Apr 2020 #81

That Last Is Good Point, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2020 #82

Italy and Spain have Medicare for All Promisep Mar 2020 #2

Preventing the disaster is a public policy issue. AtheistCrusader Mar 2020 #9

So if we had that "system" we could have avoided all of this? BTW, the US wasn't overwhelmed... George II Mar 2020 #45

I think you misunderstood me. AtheistCrusader Mar 2020 #49

They just move the goalposts when confronted with reality HarlanPepper Mar 2020 #26

This Has Been Another Episode Of Lame Comments From No One In Particular, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2020 #3

Would we have had more tests/hospital beds/ventilators/masks/gloves, and trained medical personnel? Freethinker65 Mar 2020 #4

There are serious pain points coming with this, that Italy isn't going to experience. AtheistCrusader Mar 2020 #13

Ok. So we agree the "quality care" is misleading? Survivors not going bankrupt is another issue. Freethinker65 Mar 2020 #23

I think there are assumptions made about quality of care for 'socialized' medicine that AtheistCrusader Mar 2020 #31

How would it provide more PPE, more ventilators, more tests, more hospital beds? frazzled Mar 2020 #7

That is... the point? Right? AtheistCrusader Mar 2020 #14

The point is, it wouldn't frazzled Mar 2020 #18

It's pretty relevant to people who have lost their jobs, and simultaneously, their health insurance. AtheistCrusader Mar 2020 #27

See Post #15 frazzled Mar 2020 #30

Post 15 is great and raises some good issues, but does not address what I just pointed out to you. AtheistCrusader Mar 2020 #35

Except Trump would be in charge relayerbob Mar 2020 #8

Trump is in charge now and people still get their social benefits Uncle Joe Mar 2020 #12

Not watching the news much, I take it relayerbob Mar 2020 #19

They're probably not covering that on RT HarlanPepper Mar 2020 #29

... Just_Vote_Dem Mar 2020 #69

For how long? sheshe2 Mar 2020 #62

Food stamps have been cut to hundreds of thousands of people, CHIP has been slashed.... George II Mar 2020 #68

Is that the battle we are fighting today? gibraltar72 Mar 2020 #10

Shame voters didn't believe he could pull it off. Hoyt Mar 2020 #11

Correct me if I am wrong, but there is nothing in M4A that addresses beastie boy Mar 2020 #15

This. ucrdem Mar 2020 #22

Ideally, we might not then need 2tn in support to the economy. AtheistCrusader Mar 2020 #37

It can influence SOME aspects of this. AtheistCrusader Mar 2020 #34

That's not what Bernie said. beastie boy Mar 2020 #52

If people skip certain forms of treatment to save personal cost, or refuse to go to the Dr AtheistCrusader Mar 2020 #56

What Bernie said is not debatable. beastie boy Mar 2020 #61

I don't like defending weasel words but AtheistCrusader Mar 2020 #63

His statements completely ignore the MineralMan Mar 2020 #17

And if this dream is ever going to come to pass lees1975 Mar 2020 #20

The obvious point is the anything Sanders has to say about anything is... TreasonousBastard Mar 2020 #21

And yet people are dying like flies in countries that have a form of MFA. The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2020 #28

What an absurd, libertarian-league argument. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2020 #36

This! All of this! AtheistCrusader Mar 2020 #38

Would it though? Happy Hoosier Mar 2020 #32

Look. ismnotwasm Mar 2020 #33

In fairness, and almost as large of a policy issue, Bernie would like to do something about that AtheistCrusader Mar 2020 #40

No it can't, it doesn't exist. Where does he get those numbers..... George II Mar 2020 #39

This is at least the 10th thread about this. Same arguments, nothing solved Thekaspervote Mar 2020 #59

Even Sanders doesn't put forward any answers, all he does is criticize and say "we have to _______" George II Mar 2020 #66

It's a different issue treestar Mar 2020 #60

Bernie is irrelevant now. The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2020 #64

I am just so tired of sanders saying he's the ONLY one that has pushed for universal health care Thekaspervote Mar 2020 #67

Reality Check BidenBacker Mar 2020 #70

This Is A Necessary Discussion, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2020 #71

Perhaps BidenBacker Mar 2020 #72

That, My Friend, Is A Purely 'Stump Speech' Reply The Magistrate Mar 2020 #74

My cyberfriend, Mag BidenBacker Apr 2020 #75

I Am Defending Nothing, Sir, Of Any Specific Program Sanders May Have Offered The Magistrate Apr 2020 #79

You know what I would like to see, Mag? BidenBacker Apr 2020 #85

I Am Inclined To Agree, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2020 #86

Reminds me of an old saying BidenBacker Apr 2020 #87

Bernie Sanders SAYS a lot of things. In turn he DOES very little. I'm sick to death of this... NNadir Mar 2020 #73

Doesn't he have a real job to do? nt doc03 Apr 2020 #76

Bullshitter gonna Bullshit. PubliusEnigma Apr 2020 #77

This is a classic example of Bernie at work BidenBacker Apr 2020 #78

Just As matter Of Principle, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2020 #80

In Bernie's case BidenBacker Apr 2020 #88

Utopians Do Not Count, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2020 #89

M4ALL and Other Programs Do NOT Provide Any Care Indykatie Apr 2020 #83

True, Ma'am The Magistrate Apr 2020 #84

I'm sure glad Bernie wasn't in charge of NASA back in the early 60s BidenBacker Apr 2020 #90

That Was Some Fun Footage, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2020 #91

Sometimes I think I was born 20 years too late BidenBacker Apr 2020 #92

Tell that to Italy. (nt) ehrnst Apr 2020 #93