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Congratulations to our presumptive Democratic nominee, Joe Biden!
Democratic Primaries
In reply to the discussion: Our Best Bet is Bernie [View all]JaneQPublic
(7,117 posts)96. "The Liberal Case Against Bernie"
I concur with this viewpoint from "The Nation" magazine:
https://www.thenation.com/article/bernie-sanders-electability-eric-alterman/
Sanders, of all the major Democratic contenders, is the one who will make Donald Trumps reelection most likely.
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Sanders today insists on calling himself a socialist, but he no longer holds most of the positions historically associated with socialism. He should know this because he was a serious socialist between 1972 and 1976, when he ran and lost in four statewide Vermont races on the Liberty Union Party line. His platform called for the nationalization of pretty much every industry in America, together with a 100 percent income tax on Americas top earners. And Sanders was still a socialist in 1980, when he served as an elector for the Trotskyist Socialist Workers Party, which favored the abolition of the US military budget and proclaimed itself in solidarity with both Cuba and Iran at a time when the latter held over 52 Americans hostage.
I held some of the same views myself as a young man, but I am not running for president. And if I ever thought I might, I probably wouldnt have agreed to attend a rally in 1985 in Managua, Nicaragua, with a crowd chanting, Here, there, everywhere, the Yankee will die, while the Nicaraguan president, Daniel Ortega, condemned my countrys state terrorism (accurate as the term was).
I mention this appearance because, according to reporting by journalist Kurt Eichenwald, Republicans have it and similar events on tape. They also have binders full of statements made in support of the kind of socialism that Sanders backed before he became what he is today: a typical New Dealstyle liberal or European social democrat. Much of Sanderss agenda is popular, but calling yourself a socialist is, according to recent polls, a losing proposition74 percent of independent voters disapprove of it, with just 9 percent approving.
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And Ive not even mentioned his weakness, relative to Clinton, with crucial Democratic constituencies like African Americans and women. We can also count out the many voters who are uncomfortable with criticism of Israel (much as I admire Sanders for that). A Sanders nomination would, I fear, deliver the country to Trump. It would depress turnout among all the groups I mentioned... and keep a significant number of swing voters in Trumps column. Additionally, some of the moms and grandmas who make up the backbone of the #Resistance told researcher Theda Skocpol that, owing to Sanderss harsh treatment of Clinton in the 2016 election, they might sit out 2020 if hes the nominee.
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Sanders today insists on calling himself a socialist, but he no longer holds most of the positions historically associated with socialism. He should know this because he was a serious socialist between 1972 and 1976, when he ran and lost in four statewide Vermont races on the Liberty Union Party line. His platform called for the nationalization of pretty much every industry in America, together with a 100 percent income tax on Americas top earners. And Sanders was still a socialist in 1980, when he served as an elector for the Trotskyist Socialist Workers Party, which favored the abolition of the US military budget and proclaimed itself in solidarity with both Cuba and Iran at a time when the latter held over 52 Americans hostage.
I held some of the same views myself as a young man, but I am not running for president. And if I ever thought I might, I probably wouldnt have agreed to attend a rally in 1985 in Managua, Nicaragua, with a crowd chanting, Here, there, everywhere, the Yankee will die, while the Nicaraguan president, Daniel Ortega, condemned my countrys state terrorism (accurate as the term was).
I mention this appearance because, according to reporting by journalist Kurt Eichenwald, Republicans have it and similar events on tape. They also have binders full of statements made in support of the kind of socialism that Sanders backed before he became what he is today: a typical New Dealstyle liberal or European social democrat. Much of Sanderss agenda is popular, but calling yourself a socialist is, according to recent polls, a losing proposition74 percent of independent voters disapprove of it, with just 9 percent approving.
...
And Ive not even mentioned his weakness, relative to Clinton, with crucial Democratic constituencies like African Americans and women. We can also count out the many voters who are uncomfortable with criticism of Israel (much as I admire Sanders for that). A Sanders nomination would, I fear, deliver the country to Trump. It would depress turnout among all the groups I mentioned... and keep a significant number of swing voters in Trumps column. Additionally, some of the moms and grandmas who make up the backbone of the #Resistance told researcher Theda Skocpol that, owing to Sanderss harsh treatment of Clinton in the 2016 election, they might sit out 2020 if hes the nominee.
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https://www.thenation.com/article/bernie-sanders-electability-eric-alterman/
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primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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He will be our best bet if he wins nomination, quite a lot of voting, vetting, etc., before that.
Hoyt
Apr 2019
#4
I doubt tRump will do quite that well ... but his win will be shocking nonetheless n/t
SFnomad
Apr 2019
#45
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
lunamagica
Apr 2019
#11
Yup, cuz Bernie's the Democrat with the best chance of puttin out the tRumpster fire.
InAbLuEsTaTe
Apr 2019
#109
Nope... Bernie will get the orange stain out... 8 years of progressive bliss.
InAbLuEsTaTe
Apr 2019
#120
The guy who lost the primaries by 4 million votes and whose picks for 2018 mostly failed?
pnwmom
Apr 2019
#33
The rank and file voters spoke last time ... and BS didn't listen back then either n/t
SFnomad
Apr 2019
#46
The only one trying to overrule the rank and file are Sanders and his supporters
booksandpencils
Apr 2019
#62
You're being generous ... March 3rd ... it will be clear BS won't be the nominee, again n/t
SFnomad
Apr 2019
#47
I can't believe all you people are refusing to anoint Bernie! It's his turn!
LongtimeAZDem
Apr 2019
#71
No. He could not win a general. Despite all the noise, primary voting is a year away
Demsrule86
Apr 2019
#74
Trump would crush Sanders as Bloomberg and Schultz will both run as indies to help stop the Bern
Celerity
Apr 2019
#75
Sanders cannot turn out female and black voters - our party's base - in large enough numbers to win.
LonePirate
Apr 2019
#81
Without the party's base, it doesn't matter what white, blue collar, rust belt voters think.
LonePirate
Apr 2019
#86
There are no rules against criticizing white, blue collar, rust belt voters.
LonePirate
Apr 2019
#132
"Their" refers to "they" in the previous post which refers to white, blue collar, rust belt voters.
LonePirate
Apr 2019
#135
I would have considered Berne in the primaries until he failed to vote for Russian sanctions.
33taw
Apr 2019
#105
But reading all the nays about bernie... as a sanders supporter, does that not make you wonder?
Thekaspervote
Apr 2019
#116
Are you denying that Russia spent a great deal of time and effort to promote sanders?
Gothmog
Apr 2019
#124
Are you denying Charles Johnson, founder of Pajamas Media, is a conservative?
Hassin Bin Sober
Apr 2019
#128
Russia heavily promoted sanders and is responsible for a great deal of his success in 2016
Gothmog
Apr 2019
#131
"Inside the Russian effort to target Sanders supporters -- and help elect Trump"
lapucelle
Apr 2019
#140
Charles Johnson is quoting the report by Robert Mueller III. Are you denying what he says?
George II
Apr 2019
#138
Reccing for more exposure. This is a great clip for starting a discussion. Thanks for posting!
emulatorloo
Apr 2019
#129