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Democratic Primaries
In reply to the discussion: Our Best Bet is Bernie [View all]Gothmog
(156,972 posts)143. Nate Silver- Sanders Can Win, But He Isn't Polling Like A Favorite
Nate thinks that it is possible for sander to win the nomination but this is not likely. sanders is not going to be the nominee of the party. sanders thinks that getting 30% of the primary vote is sufficient which means taking the fight to the contested convention. https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/bernie-sanders-can-win-but-he-isnt-polling-like-a-favorite/
Historically, though, candidates who are polling at only about 20 percent nationally despite the near-universal name recognition that Sanders enjoys dont have a great track record. From our research on the history of past primary polls, I found 15 candidates from past nomination processes who, like Sanders, (i) polled at an average of between 15 percent and 25 percent4 in national polls in the first six months of the year before the Iowa caucuses5 and (ii) who had high or very high name recognition.6.....
Achieving a delegate majority could be hard for Sanders
You could also argue that the three winning candidates from the list Barack Obama and John McCain in 2008 and Mitt Romney in 2012 arent good comparisons for Sanders, especially from a The Party Decides standpoint where preferences among party insiders and activists are leading indicators of voter preferences. Romney, for instance, had the backing of the GOP party establishment as a potential consensus choice, whereas Sanders largely lacks it from Democrats. Obama was a rising star, rather than someone left over from a previous cycle, and gained a lot of momentum among party elites as the 2008 cycle wore on, even if they also liked Clinton. McCain, who ran against the party establishment in 2000 but was someone the party could live with in 2008, is in some ways the most favorable comparison for Sanders.
In many respects, however, Sanders is more similar to Jesse Jackson in 1984 and 1988, George Wallace in 1972 and 1976 or Ron Paul in 2012, candidates who represented important constituencies within their respective parties but who didnt have an obvious way to unite the rest of the party behind them or to win a delegate majority.
At times, Sanderss strategists actually seem to be leaning into the strategy of being a factional candidate. The Sanders campaign may have all kinds of reasons to feel aggrieved by how the party establishment has treated it, especially when it reads articles like the one in The New York Times that suggest the establishment is out to get it again! Nonetheless, the campaign hasnt sought to mend fences when conflicts have arisen this year. Instead, Sanders aides told The Atlantics Edward-Isaac Dovere that they think they can win the nomination with as little as a 30 percent plurality of delegates. Thats a risky strategy since it would necessarily entail a contested convention, where party insiders would play an outsized role. Nor would Sanders, a 77-year-old white man, reflect the various constituencies of the Democratic Party (and the demographics of the delegates themselves) as well as someone like Harris might.
Achieving a delegate majority could be hard for Sanders
You could also argue that the three winning candidates from the list Barack Obama and John McCain in 2008 and Mitt Romney in 2012 arent good comparisons for Sanders, especially from a The Party Decides standpoint where preferences among party insiders and activists are leading indicators of voter preferences. Romney, for instance, had the backing of the GOP party establishment as a potential consensus choice, whereas Sanders largely lacks it from Democrats. Obama was a rising star, rather than someone left over from a previous cycle, and gained a lot of momentum among party elites as the 2008 cycle wore on, even if they also liked Clinton. McCain, who ran against the party establishment in 2000 but was someone the party could live with in 2008, is in some ways the most favorable comparison for Sanders.
In many respects, however, Sanders is more similar to Jesse Jackson in 1984 and 1988, George Wallace in 1972 and 1976 or Ron Paul in 2012, candidates who represented important constituencies within their respective parties but who didnt have an obvious way to unite the rest of the party behind them or to win a delegate majority.
At times, Sanderss strategists actually seem to be leaning into the strategy of being a factional candidate. The Sanders campaign may have all kinds of reasons to feel aggrieved by how the party establishment has treated it, especially when it reads articles like the one in The New York Times that suggest the establishment is out to get it again! Nonetheless, the campaign hasnt sought to mend fences when conflicts have arisen this year. Instead, Sanders aides told The Atlantics Edward-Isaac Dovere that they think they can win the nomination with as little as a 30 percent plurality of delegates. Thats a risky strategy since it would necessarily entail a contested convention, where party insiders would play an outsized role. Nor would Sanders, a 77-year-old white man, reflect the various constituencies of the Democratic Party (and the demographics of the delegates themselves) as well as someone like Harris might.
sanders will not be the nominee if sanders only gets 30% of the primary vote. There are too many real democrats who have long memories and who will not forgive or forget. If this gets to a floor fight, the delegates for the other candidates will not support sanders and the super delegates will get to break any deadlocks after the first ballot.
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He will be our best bet if he wins nomination, quite a lot of voting, vetting, etc., before that.
Hoyt
Apr 2019
#4
I doubt tRump will do quite that well ... but his win will be shocking nonetheless n/t
SFnomad
Apr 2019
#45
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
lunamagica
Apr 2019
#11
Yup, cuz Bernie's the Democrat with the best chance of puttin out the tRumpster fire.
InAbLuEsTaTe
Apr 2019
#109
Nope... Bernie will get the orange stain out... 8 years of progressive bliss.
InAbLuEsTaTe
Apr 2019
#120
The guy who lost the primaries by 4 million votes and whose picks for 2018 mostly failed?
pnwmom
Apr 2019
#33
The rank and file voters spoke last time ... and BS didn't listen back then either n/t
SFnomad
Apr 2019
#46
The only one trying to overrule the rank and file are Sanders and his supporters
booksandpencils
Apr 2019
#62
You're being generous ... March 3rd ... it will be clear BS won't be the nominee, again n/t
SFnomad
Apr 2019
#47
I can't believe all you people are refusing to anoint Bernie! It's his turn!
LongtimeAZDem
Apr 2019
#71
No. He could not win a general. Despite all the noise, primary voting is a year away
Demsrule86
Apr 2019
#74
Trump would crush Sanders as Bloomberg and Schultz will both run as indies to help stop the Bern
Celerity
Apr 2019
#75
Sanders cannot turn out female and black voters - our party's base - in large enough numbers to win.
LonePirate
Apr 2019
#81
Without the party's base, it doesn't matter what white, blue collar, rust belt voters think.
LonePirate
Apr 2019
#86
There are no rules against criticizing white, blue collar, rust belt voters.
LonePirate
Apr 2019
#132
"Their" refers to "they" in the previous post which refers to white, blue collar, rust belt voters.
LonePirate
Apr 2019
#135
I would have considered Berne in the primaries until he failed to vote for Russian sanctions.
33taw
Apr 2019
#105
But reading all the nays about bernie... as a sanders supporter, does that not make you wonder?
Thekaspervote
Apr 2019
#116
Are you denying that Russia spent a great deal of time and effort to promote sanders?
Gothmog
Apr 2019
#124
Are you denying Charles Johnson, founder of Pajamas Media, is a conservative?
Hassin Bin Sober
Apr 2019
#128
Russia heavily promoted sanders and is responsible for a great deal of his success in 2016
Gothmog
Apr 2019
#131
"Inside the Russian effort to target Sanders supporters -- and help elect Trump"
lapucelle
Apr 2019
#140
Charles Johnson is quoting the report by Robert Mueller III. Are you denying what he says?
George II
Apr 2019
#138
Reccing for more exposure. This is a great clip for starting a discussion. Thanks for posting!
emulatorloo
Apr 2019
#129