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sarisataka

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14. We already have people defending Hezbollah and saying this is a war crime

Tue Sep 17, 2024, 11:26 AM

Sep 17

You do bring up an interesting point, that Lebanon is a sovereign nation. No one denies Hezbollah is attacking Israel from Lebanese territory without explicit permission from the Lebanese government.

It begs the question "must Israel endure the attacks without any response even if the Lebanese government can't/won't take action against Hezbollah?"

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Exploding pagers injure hundreds in attack targeting Hezbollah members, Lebanese security source says [View all] LiberalArkie Sep 17 OP

THAT IS AWESOME (nt) Darwins_Retriever Sep 17 #1

Next they go after their fax machines and Blackberries. Sneederbunk Sep 17 #103

Turns out, you weren't that far off! Walkie-talkies for the win. nt Maru Kitteh Sep 18 #246

Kids and pets got hurt. JackSabbath Sep 17 #109

Or might as well let them blow up Israelis, because that's really their raison d'etre elias7 Sep 17 #142

Oh noes! Not the kids! Not the pets! Beastly Boy Sep 17 #182

Really? 3Hotdogs Sep 17 #213

Similar to plot line of Kingsman movie? Bmoboy Sep 17 #2

Note to self: Don't put my pager or cell phone in my front pants pocket. 🔥 🌰🌰 🔥 TheBlackAdder Sep 17 #129

I'm in trouble already.... sdfernando Sep 17 #203

And remarkably resembling the just leaked Mossad tapes of the operation. Rockets and all: Beastly Boy Sep 17 #184

They are blowing them up with the space lasers, of course sarisataka Sep 17 #3

Nope. It's not targeting civilians. However, Hezbollah is not the government of Lebanon. haele Sep 17 #12

We already have people defending Hezbollah and saying this is a war crime sarisataka Sep 17 #14

Certain folks sure do seem to get upset when Israel gets in the way of their Hezbollah/Hamas buddies.... tritsofme Sep 17 #23

That's because most people who don't know average people from that area think black and white. haele Sep 17 #61

Thanks, Haele. Very interesting, and substantive. Hekate Sep 17 #53

More info coming in jmbar2 Sep 17 #63

Hezbollah has been part of the lebanese government since 1992. Mosby Sep 17 #72

The question is: does the government of the sovereign state of lebanon have Hezbollah's permission Beastly Boy Sep 17 #185

Duh BrianTheEVGuy Sep 17 #41

Pretty brilliant... jmbar2 Sep 17 #4

They weren't targeted to just "bad guys" onandup Sep 17 #13

That's on Hizbollah BrianTheEVGuy Sep 17 #46

And whose fault would that be? MarineCombatEngineer Sep 17 #106

Israel is responsible, as far as we know onandup Sep 17 #116

Israel is responsible? MarineCombatEngineer Sep 17 #121

"as far as we know" onandup Sep 17 #132

As far as who knows? MarineCombatEngineer Sep 17 #134

What happens when someone initiates a war? Israel did not initiate this war. When Germany... Hekate Sep 17 #165

No one is credibly threatening the existence of Israel. onandup Sep 17 #204

But they are firing rockets that hit Israeli schools thucythucy Sep 17 #206

Alas, that is exactly what the slogan "From the river to the sea" means. It means to do what was done in 1492... Hekate Sep 17 #207

It has different meanings, depending on the speaker and context onandup Sep 17 #210

No, it does not, unless a person is one of those idiot US protestors who doesn't know what company they keep Hekate Sep 17 #212

Rashida Tlaib considers it an aspirational call onandup Sep 17 #218

Nice. But in this case, Rashida is blowing smoke. Hekate Sep 17 #219

Bibi's Likud party has it's own version onandup Sep 17 #220

Change the goalposts Hekate Sep 17 #221

I notice you never answered my question. thucythucy Sep 17 #229

I don't subscribe to your framing every Israeli action as "defending" itself onandup Sep 18 #243

You are indeed misunderstanding. No, not every action taken by Israel is automatically justified in my mind. thucythucy Sep 18 #244

Simply put onandup Sep 18 #245

Oh, FFS. How much more targeted can you get than the specific personal pagers wnylib Sep 17 #216

Source, please? Beastly Boy Sep 17 #189

Yeah, how cool would it be if.... JackSabbath Sep 17 #120

And I'm guessing you live in a country with oceans on 2 sides, Canada to the North and Mexico to the South elias7 Sep 17 #145

What kind of incompetent terrorist would leave his Nasrallah issued pager in a child's room? Beastly Boy Sep 17 #196

But doctors & nurses were injured too womanofthehills Sep 17 #135

It wasn't the Ukrainian Amb., MarineCombatEngineer Sep 17 #138

Excellent question sarisataka Sep 17 #149

Don't think I'll take that bet, MarineCombatEngineer Sep 17 #157

Narrator: "It went unanswered." notroot Sep 17 #179

Are you going to correct this false info? MarineCombatEngineer Sep 17 #150

Narrator: "They were not going to correct the false info." notroot Sep 17 #180

I found this. Moosepoop Sep 17 #5

I thought the lithium but I remembered the pager I used to carry ran about 3 months on a AAA battery LiberalArkie Sep 17 #6

The battery as the explosive is extremely unlikely when comparing against the videos coming out Amishman Sep 17 #10

Completely Agree ProfessorGAC Sep 17 #16

Well, that's not really true. It depends on the sheathing... mikelewis Sep 17 #18

Even with a casing - using the battery like a pipe bomb - you'd still have pyrotechnics Amishman Sep 17 #34

Oh... I don't remotely think Israel is behind this at all... mikelewis Sep 17 #74

"less conspiratorial" JoseBalow Sep 17 #77

Or a donation from Iran or Russia more likely. mikelewis Sep 17 #83

They're using pagers because Israel has already hacked their cell phones. marybourg Sep 17 #78

Merci Mme. Defarge Sep 17 #31

8 dead 2,750 injured rollin74 Sep 17 #7

Note to self HAB911 Sep 17 #8

Yes... a cell phone battery can explode in the same manner. It's not likely but they can... mikelewis Sep 17 #21

If Israel can do pagers HAB911 Sep 17 #25

That's really a big if... while a clandestine attack like that is movie quality... mikelewis Sep 17 #30

Theoretically... BrianTheEVGuy Sep 17 #84

You betcha, says the techie across the breakfast table from me... Hekate Sep 17 #91

Yes, I'm afraid when and if it hits the fan HAB911 Sep 17 #99

. TheProle Sep 17 #9

8 dead 2800 injured Johnny2X2X Sep 17 #11

There are rules of War concerning blowing up pagers? EX500rider Sep 17 #81

Which has killed more nearby civilians? Johnny2X2X Sep 17 #89

I think you'll find most people have no problem with giving exploding pagers to terrorists EX500rider Sep 17 #92

So you don't think it's okay to supply exploding pagers to terrorists which is what they did? EX500rider Sep 17 #144

Israel (and seemingly no one else either) never ratified the Safe Pagers for Terrorists TheKentuckian Sep 17 #169

According to whom? Beastly Boy Sep 17 #194

This could be a prelude to a larger operation. Mosby Sep 17 #15

Disrupting the enemy C3 is a good way to start an operation sarisataka Sep 17 #17

It may also be the cell phone companies ensuring that pagers never rise again... you just never know... mikelewis Sep 17 #35

Is this satire? JoseBalow Sep 17 #87

No... it's just I saw no reason to immediately assume Israel was behind the attack... mikelewis Sep 17 #97

It is likely retaliation BrianTheEVGuy Sep 17 #50

Is that an exploding pager in your pants or are you just happy to see me? PeaceWave Sep 17 #19

This was a terror attack Johnny2X2X Sep 17 #20

Are terrorists civilians sarisataka Sep 17 #22

Women and children were killed and maimed. Johnny2X2X Sep 17 #26

Since Hezbollah is already firing rockets sarisataka Sep 17 #27

I guess freedom fighters are civilians and can't commit war crimes. nt LexVegas Sep 17 #28

You think school children are legit targets for either side? Johnny2X2X Sep 17 #29

What fraction? former9thward Sep 17 #39

Of course school children are not legitimate targets sarisataka Sep 17 #43

Horseshit Johnny2X2X Sep 17 #71

I did not claim you hold that position sarisataka Sep 17 #94

They get proportional attention Johnny2X2X Sep 17 #100

Right, but don't forget that Israel has no beef with Lebanon. This is all on them. elias7 Sep 17 #146

Proportional, that is a word sarisataka Sep 17 #154

Are you waiting for the freedom fighters to verify the numbers? nt LexVegas Sep 17 #44

There are no freedom fighters Johnny2X2X Sep 17 #55

"There are no freedom fighters"...So Hezbollah is a gardening club? Coventina Sep 17 #60

Hezbollah is a terorist organization Johnny2X2X Sep 17 #66

GMAFB Coventina Sep 17 #70

You seem to know more about this than anyone newdeal2 Sep 17 #62

Do you have a link to support that claim? sarisataka Sep 17 #98

I am confused. Are you saying ISRAELIS "distributed boxes of pagers" ? Did you miss the part... Hekate Sep 17 #171

And do you think the terrorists will tell you how many terrorists die compared to civilians? EX500rider Sep 17 #85

Really? MarineCombatEngineer Sep 17 #110

What utter bullshit. MarineCombatEngineer Sep 17 #190

They were encrypted pagers used by Hezbollah Mosby Sep 17 #37

Heh BrianTheEVGuy Sep 17 #52

Given the number of Hezbollah agents maimed Amishman Sep 17 #166

It was a counter-terror operation BrianTheEVGuy Sep 17 #51

Precisely targeting the communications network of an opposing militia is not a terror attack. mathematic Sep 17 #147

They better check the fax machines now newdeal2 Sep 17 #24

And then Walkman and MP3 players Otto_Harper Sep 17 #101

Terrorists officially terrorized. Brilliant. Bonx Sep 17 #32

Pager blasts also reported now in Syria DJ Synikus Makisimus Sep 17 #33

Seriously... it could just a major run of poorly engineered lithium batteries... mikelewis Sep 17 #42

Why would they all fail at the same time? Mosby Sep 17 #47

Physics... mikelewis Sep 17 #58

Which cannot and will not Otto_Harper Sep 17 #105

That's not sufficient to explain Disaffected Sep 17 #118

They all exploded simultaneously Mosby Sep 17 #137

Absolutely, I have inside information Otto_Harper Sep 17 #224

With the information at this time, it would appear not. DJ Synikus Makisimus Sep 18 #239

Hezbollah bought a new batch of pagers 3 months ago. Mosby Sep 17 #45

The evidence so far suggests that Hezbollah weren't the only ones DJ Synikus Makisimus Sep 17 #57

The evidence so far suggests they were. Beastly Boy Sep 17 #199

Your source for this information? DJ Synikus Makisimus Sep 17 #186

Obviously those were allies of Hezbollah EX500rider Sep 17 #230

Seems to me that very little is obvious in war, DJ Synikus Makisimus Sep 17 #238

Despite the boo hooing from people who hate Israel BannonsLiver Sep 17 #36

In other news, people still use pagers... Shipwack Sep 17 #38

Well... think about it... mikelewis Sep 17 #48

They thought they could be stealthier with low-tech -nt Bonx Sep 17 #49

Pagers may not have GPS built in like cell phones Bmoboy Sep 17 #54

No two way messages to intercept and read hack89 Sep 17 #79

Absolutely beautiful BrianTheEVGuy Sep 17 #40

Novel approach misanthrope Sep 17 #56

Does this date have any significance to anyone in the region? DJ Synikus Makisimus Sep 17 #59

Hard to hide that you belong to the terrorist group if you have an exploding pager. Bev54 Sep 17 #64

Great job de-escalating things Joe TheRealNorth Sep 17 #65

What does Joe have to do with this? newdeal2 Sep 17 #68

Don't you know? He's the King of the Middle East! Coventina Sep 17 #73

Wanna hear something crazy... mikelewis Sep 17 #80

Joe? mcar Sep 17 #75

You really think a lot of civilians are using encrypted Hezbollah pagers? EX500rider Sep 17 #88

A gratuitous and nonsense pot-shot at a Democratic president? Shocking! tritsofme Sep 17 #90

It's Biden's fault? sarisataka Sep 17 #102

This might make you feel better BannonsLiver Sep 17 #111

What? Hekate Sep 17 #175

Stuxnet redux? Brother Buzz Sep 17 #67

Yeah, I had a similar reaction. DJ Synikus Makisimus Sep 17 #86

Taiwan i read EX500rider Sep 17 #231

They are a major chip manufacturer Brother Buzz Sep 17 #233

What if someone had been in a plane? Or driving? nolabear Sep 17 #69

You should have your pager off while flying. n/t Coventina Sep 17 #95

Has Trump taken credit for this yet? RussBLib Sep 17 #76

He showed Abdul a photo of his pager newdeal2 Sep 17 #82

Ok... so this is interesting. Apparently the pagers were pinged just before exploding... that changes things... mikelewis Sep 17 #93

Eliminating terrorist is a "dirty deed"? TheKentuckian Sep 17 #187

Not only off the rails, but over the cliff also. MarineCombatEngineer Sep 17 #191

If only there was some way to make nuclear centrifuges Arne Sep 17 #96

Well here's hoping Hezbollah never sends members here FullySupportDems Sep 17 #104

Please provide the link to the rule of war that says enemy communications are an illegitimate target. Coventina Sep 17 #108

Sure, like I said, any civilian anywhere as policy? FullySupportDems Sep 17 #122

Please provide the link that states attacks on communications are illegal. Coventina Sep 17 #124

How many civilians were actually killed? MarineCombatEngineer Sep 17 #125

I don't understand your question FullySupportDems Sep 17 #128

..... MarineCombatEngineer Sep 17 #131

I'll have to look, I thought it was reported everywhere FullySupportDems Sep 17 #152

Looks like someone else found a source FullySupportDems Sep 17 #155

My opinion would be that those deaths would be on the terrorist org., Hizbollah, MarineCombatEngineer Sep 17 #156

I understand no one has taken credit for blowing up the pagers FullySupportDems Sep 17 #223

You don't know crap about waging war do you? MarineCombatEngineer Sep 17 #114

I don't know crap about waging war? FullySupportDems Sep 17 #127

Thanks for proving my point. MarineCombatEngineer Sep 17 #130

No, it is Not FullySupportDems Sep 17 #140

Again, you proved my point. MarineCombatEngineer Sep 17 #141

Well then 'splain it to me what who says he's a FullySupportDems Sep 17 #160

.... MarineCombatEngineer Sep 17 #162

I think you don't have an answer FullySupportDems Sep 17 #167

I think you are ignorant past belief if you don't recognize that DU's veterans have knowledge & experience... Hekate Sep 17 #178

I AM a DU veteran FullySupportDems Sep 17 #226

Welcome to DU, my apologies for neglecting to extend that before sarisataka Sep 17 #168

This message was self-deleted by its author MarineCombatEngineer Sep 17 #172

I will try to be respectful FullySupportDems Sep 17 #174

So just out of curiosity, what did your decade of Air Force experience involve that meant you... Hekate Sep 17 #205

Well, I learned that after WW2 there was a trial FullySupportDems Sep 17 #232

I may disagree with you on this issue, MarineCombatEngineer Sep 18 #247

I appreciate that, right back at ya FullySupportDems Sep 18 #248

Thank you MarineCombatEngineer Sep 18 #249

I think you're right FullySupportDems Sep 18 #250

Attacking an enemy's communications systems is not at all debatable, sarisataka Sep 17 #158

Great question. MarineCombatEngineer Sep 17 #163

The more I read this poster in this thread... Hekate Sep 17 #192

Or you could simply ask FullySupportDems Sep 17 #235

It sounds like it's okay if it's only a few civilians maybe? FullySupportDems Sep 17 #170

You didn't answer my question why you are drastically inflating numbers sarisataka Sep 17 #173

And so far We're Geting Crickets from your excellent Cha Sep 17 #202

Sorry I missed this one FullySupportDems Sep 17 #236

There are no Hezbollah members in America ?? Israeli Sep 17 #143

Are you an acceptable target if you get on a plane with one FullySupportDems Sep 17 #164

This operation was as closely targeted as it is possible to be. And as has been pointed out... Hekate Sep 17 #195

But they are not in a declared war are they? FullySupportDems Sep 17 #237

You do realize Hezbollah has been actively attacking Israel since October 8, don't you? elias7 Sep 18 #240

Three or four people in this thread don't know it & don't believe it regardless Hekate Sep 18 #241

Mischaracterizing the situation isn't helpful FullySupportDems Sep 18 #242

Way to completely misunderstand the whole discussion Hekate Sep 17 #177

Pro terrorist accounts all over social media melting over this. Ace Rothstein Sep 17 #107

There are a couple of devices in there that explode. Arne Sep 17 #112

How is this different than setting land mines? JackSabbath Sep 17 #113

oh please Coventina Sep 17 #115

Well then I guess most of us on this thread are going to hell because most of us support MarineCombatEngineer Sep 17 #117

I wish it was as simple as killing terrorists FullySupportDems Sep 17 #136

I wish this was as simple as not pretending to be deliberately obtuse Hekate Sep 17 #209

I don't think I'm being obtuse FullySupportDems Sep 17 #222

lol BannonsLiver Sep 17 #119

How is a raven like a writing desk? sarisataka Sep 17 #159

He'll what? LOL. notroot Sep 17 #181

And the kid(s) that died? asm128 Sep 17 #211

Oh goody, block us all. I will not block you, however, as I am sure your progress here will be full of incident. Hekate Sep 17 #215

That's right... Hezbollah recently killed some children with one of the 100s of rocket attacks on Israel. notroot Sep 17 #217

How is this different from being deliberately obtuse? Hekate Sep 17 #208

...... MarineCombatEngineer Sep 17 #123

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Israeli Sep 17 #151

All at the same time, MarineCombatEngineer Sep 17 #153

Do you think Office Depot would accept returns? RandySF Sep 17 #126

Now it's - injured thousands including doctors & nurses womanofthehills Sep 17 #133

Link? sarisataka Sep 17 #161

Maybe those poor "doctors" and "nurses" shouldn't be carrying TERRORIST pagers? notroot Sep 17 #183

And kittens. Why would a pager-carrying terrorist be in a hospital unless it had already gone off? Hekate Sep 17 #214

As has been proven, just because you're a doctor doesn't mean you're not a terrorist too. Coventina Sep 17 #228

#1 reason not to hide a pager up inside your ass. Kaleva Sep 17 #139

Ouch underpants Sep 17 #148

According to Sky News Arabic Mosby Sep 17 #176

Gotta hand it to whoever thought this up, MarineCombatEngineer Sep 17 #188

I didn't even know that you could still buy pagers anymore--- Jack Valentino Sep 17 #193

This one seems a little morally sus Calculating Sep 17 #197

Then they shouldn't have been terrorists. MarineCombatEngineer Sep 17 #198

Pagers should be turned off in flight. These pagers were purchased by the terrorists themselves. Coventina Sep 17 #227

Have you considered other countries may use pay phones more than the US? sarisataka Sep 17 #200

So noted. Jack Valentino Sep 17 #201

Ironically, pagers are a Jewish invention Bad Thoughts Sep 17 #234

Quite ingenious. I fully support Israel's aim to combat terrorism. Tarc Sep 17 #225