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157. Don't think I'll take that bet,

Reply to sarisataka (Reply #149)

Tue Sep 17, 2024, 02:54 PM

Sep 17

it's too much of an inconvenient truth.

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Exploding pagers injure hundreds in attack targeting Hezbollah members, Lebanese security source says [View all] LiberalArkie Sep 17 OP

THAT IS AWESOME (nt) Darwins_Retriever Sep 17 #1

Next they go after their fax machines and Blackberries. Sneederbunk Sep 17 #103

Turns out, you weren't that far off! Walkie-talkies for the win. nt Maru Kitteh Sep 18 #246

Kids and pets got hurt. JackSabbath Sep 17 #109

Or might as well let them blow up Israelis, because that's really their raison d'etre elias7 Sep 17 #142

Oh noes! Not the kids! Not the pets! Beastly Boy Sep 17 #182

Really? 3Hotdogs Sep 17 #213

Similar to plot line of Kingsman movie? Bmoboy Sep 17 #2

Note to self: Don't put my pager or cell phone in my front pants pocket. 🔥 🌰🌰 🔥 TheBlackAdder Sep 17 #129

I'm in trouble already.... sdfernando Sep 17 #203

And remarkably resembling the just leaked Mossad tapes of the operation. Rockets and all: Beastly Boy Sep 17 #184

They are blowing them up with the space lasers, of course sarisataka Sep 17 #3

Nope. It's not targeting civilians. However, Hezbollah is not the government of Lebanon. haele Sep 17 #12

We already have people defending Hezbollah and saying this is a war crime sarisataka Sep 17 #14

Certain folks sure do seem to get upset when Israel gets in the way of their Hezbollah/Hamas buddies.... tritsofme Sep 17 #23

That's because most people who don't know average people from that area think black and white. haele Sep 17 #61

Thanks, Haele. Very interesting, and substantive. Hekate Sep 17 #53

More info coming in jmbar2 Sep 17 #63

Hezbollah has been part of the lebanese government since 1992. Mosby Sep 17 #72

The question is: does the government of the sovereign state of lebanon have Hezbollah's permission Beastly Boy Sep 17 #185

Duh BrianTheEVGuy Sep 17 #41

Pretty brilliant... jmbar2 Sep 17 #4

They weren't targeted to just "bad guys" onandup Sep 17 #13

That's on Hizbollah BrianTheEVGuy Sep 17 #46

And whose fault would that be? MarineCombatEngineer Sep 17 #106

Israel is responsible, as far as we know onandup Sep 17 #116

Israel is responsible? MarineCombatEngineer Sep 17 #121

"as far as we know" onandup Sep 17 #132

As far as who knows? MarineCombatEngineer Sep 17 #134

What happens when someone initiates a war? Israel did not initiate this war. When Germany... Hekate Sep 17 #165

No one is credibly threatening the existence of Israel. onandup Sep 17 #204

But they are firing rockets that hit Israeli schools thucythucy Sep 17 #206

Alas, that is exactly what the slogan "From the river to the sea" means. It means to do what was done in 1492... Hekate Sep 17 #207

It has different meanings, depending on the speaker and context onandup Sep 17 #210

No, it does not, unless a person is one of those idiot US protestors who doesn't know what company they keep Hekate Sep 17 #212

Rashida Tlaib considers it an aspirational call onandup Sep 17 #218

Nice. But in this case, Rashida is blowing smoke. Hekate Sep 17 #219

Bibi's Likud party has it's own version onandup Sep 17 #220

Change the goalposts Hekate Sep 17 #221

I notice you never answered my question. thucythucy Sep 17 #229

I don't subscribe to your framing every Israeli action as "defending" itself onandup Sep 18 #243

You are indeed misunderstanding. No, not every action taken by Israel is automatically justified in my mind. thucythucy Sep 18 #244

Simply put onandup Sep 18 #245

Oh, FFS. How much more targeted can you get than the specific personal pagers wnylib Sep 17 #216

Source, please? Beastly Boy Sep 17 #189

Yeah, how cool would it be if.... JackSabbath Sep 17 #120

And I'm guessing you live in a country with oceans on 2 sides, Canada to the North and Mexico to the South elias7 Sep 17 #145

What kind of incompetent terrorist would leave his Nasrallah issued pager in a child's room? Beastly Boy Sep 17 #196

But doctors & nurses were injured too womanofthehills Sep 17 #135

It wasn't the Ukrainian Amb., MarineCombatEngineer Sep 17 #138

Excellent question sarisataka Sep 17 #149

Don't think I'll take that bet, MarineCombatEngineer Sep 17 #157

Narrator: "It went unanswered." notroot Sep 17 #179

Are you going to correct this false info? MarineCombatEngineer Sep 17 #150

Narrator: "They were not going to correct the false info." notroot Sep 17 #180

I found this. Moosepoop Sep 17 #5

I thought the lithium but I remembered the pager I used to carry ran about 3 months on a AAA battery LiberalArkie Sep 17 #6

The battery as the explosive is extremely unlikely when comparing against the videos coming out Amishman Sep 17 #10

Completely Agree ProfessorGAC Sep 17 #16

Well, that's not really true. It depends on the sheathing... mikelewis Sep 17 #18

Even with a casing - using the battery like a pipe bomb - you'd still have pyrotechnics Amishman Sep 17 #34

Oh... I don't remotely think Israel is behind this at all... mikelewis Sep 17 #74

"less conspiratorial" JoseBalow Sep 17 #77

Or a donation from Iran or Russia more likely. mikelewis Sep 17 #83

They're using pagers because Israel has already hacked their cell phones. marybourg Sep 17 #78

Merci Mme. Defarge Sep 17 #31

8 dead 2,750 injured rollin74 Sep 17 #7

Note to self HAB911 Sep 17 #8

Yes... a cell phone battery can explode in the same manner. It's not likely but they can... mikelewis Sep 17 #21

If Israel can do pagers HAB911 Sep 17 #25

That's really a big if... while a clandestine attack like that is movie quality... mikelewis Sep 17 #30

Theoretically... BrianTheEVGuy Sep 17 #84

You betcha, says the techie across the breakfast table from me... Hekate Sep 17 #91

Yes, I'm afraid when and if it hits the fan HAB911 Sep 17 #99

. TheProle Sep 17 #9

8 dead 2800 injured Johnny2X2X Sep 17 #11

There are rules of War concerning blowing up pagers? EX500rider Sep 17 #81

Which has killed more nearby civilians? Johnny2X2X Sep 17 #89

I think you'll find most people have no problem with giving exploding pagers to terrorists EX500rider Sep 17 #92

So you don't think it's okay to supply exploding pagers to terrorists which is what they did? EX500rider Sep 17 #144

Israel (and seemingly no one else either) never ratified the Safe Pagers for Terrorists TheKentuckian Sep 17 #169

According to whom? Beastly Boy Sep 17 #194

This could be a prelude to a larger operation. Mosby Sep 17 #15

Disrupting the enemy C3 is a good way to start an operation sarisataka Sep 17 #17

It may also be the cell phone companies ensuring that pagers never rise again... you just never know... mikelewis Sep 17 #35

Is this satire? JoseBalow Sep 17 #87

No... it's just I saw no reason to immediately assume Israel was behind the attack... mikelewis Sep 17 #97

It is likely retaliation BrianTheEVGuy Sep 17 #50

Is that an exploding pager in your pants or are you just happy to see me? PeaceWave Sep 17 #19

This was a terror attack Johnny2X2X Sep 17 #20

Are terrorists civilians sarisataka Sep 17 #22

Women and children were killed and maimed. Johnny2X2X Sep 17 #26

Since Hezbollah is already firing rockets sarisataka Sep 17 #27

I guess freedom fighters are civilians and can't commit war crimes. nt LexVegas Sep 17 #28

You think school children are legit targets for either side? Johnny2X2X Sep 17 #29

What fraction? former9thward Sep 17 #39

Of course school children are not legitimate targets sarisataka Sep 17 #43

Horseshit Johnny2X2X Sep 17 #71

I did not claim you hold that position sarisataka Sep 17 #94

They get proportional attention Johnny2X2X Sep 17 #100

Right, but don't forget that Israel has no beef with Lebanon. This is all on them. elias7 Sep 17 #146

Proportional, that is a word sarisataka Sep 17 #154

Are you waiting for the freedom fighters to verify the numbers? nt LexVegas Sep 17 #44

There are no freedom fighters Johnny2X2X Sep 17 #55

"There are no freedom fighters"...So Hezbollah is a gardening club? Coventina Sep 17 #60

Hezbollah is a terorist organization Johnny2X2X Sep 17 #66

GMAFB Coventina Sep 17 #70

You seem to know more about this than anyone newdeal2 Sep 17 #62

Do you have a link to support that claim? sarisataka Sep 17 #98

I am confused. Are you saying ISRAELIS "distributed boxes of pagers" ? Did you miss the part... Hekate Sep 17 #171

And do you think the terrorists will tell you how many terrorists die compared to civilians? EX500rider Sep 17 #85

Really? MarineCombatEngineer Sep 17 #110

What utter bullshit. MarineCombatEngineer Sep 17 #190

They were encrypted pagers used by Hezbollah Mosby Sep 17 #37

Heh BrianTheEVGuy Sep 17 #52

Given the number of Hezbollah agents maimed Amishman Sep 17 #166

It was a counter-terror operation BrianTheEVGuy Sep 17 #51

Precisely targeting the communications network of an opposing militia is not a terror attack. mathematic Sep 17 #147

They better check the fax machines now newdeal2 Sep 17 #24

And then Walkman and MP3 players Otto_Harper Sep 17 #101

Terrorists officially terrorized. Brilliant. Bonx Sep 17 #32

Pager blasts also reported now in Syria DJ Synikus Makisimus Sep 17 #33

Seriously... it could just a major run of poorly engineered lithium batteries... mikelewis Sep 17 #42

Why would they all fail at the same time? Mosby Sep 17 #47

Physics... mikelewis Sep 17 #58

Which cannot and will not Otto_Harper Sep 17 #105

That's not sufficient to explain Disaffected Sep 17 #118

They all exploded simultaneously Mosby Sep 17 #137

Absolutely, I have inside information Otto_Harper Sep 17 #224

With the information at this time, it would appear not. DJ Synikus Makisimus Sep 18 #239

Hezbollah bought a new batch of pagers 3 months ago. Mosby Sep 17 #45

The evidence so far suggests that Hezbollah weren't the only ones DJ Synikus Makisimus Sep 17 #57

The evidence so far suggests they were. Beastly Boy Sep 17 #199

Your source for this information? DJ Synikus Makisimus Sep 17 #186

Obviously those were allies of Hezbollah EX500rider Sep 17 #230

Seems to me that very little is obvious in war, DJ Synikus Makisimus Sep 17 #238

Despite the boo hooing from people who hate Israel BannonsLiver Sep 17 #36

In other news, people still use pagers... Shipwack Sep 17 #38

Well... think about it... mikelewis Sep 17 #48

They thought they could be stealthier with low-tech -nt Bonx Sep 17 #49

Pagers may not have GPS built in like cell phones Bmoboy Sep 17 #54

No two way messages to intercept and read hack89 Sep 17 #79

Absolutely beautiful BrianTheEVGuy Sep 17 #40

Novel approach misanthrope Sep 17 #56

Does this date have any significance to anyone in the region? DJ Synikus Makisimus Sep 17 #59

Hard to hide that you belong to the terrorist group if you have an exploding pager. Bev54 Sep 17 #64

Great job de-escalating things Joe TheRealNorth Sep 17 #65

What does Joe have to do with this? newdeal2 Sep 17 #68

Don't you know? He's the King of the Middle East! Coventina Sep 17 #73

Wanna hear something crazy... mikelewis Sep 17 #80

Joe? mcar Sep 17 #75

You really think a lot of civilians are using encrypted Hezbollah pagers? EX500rider Sep 17 #88

A gratuitous and nonsense pot-shot at a Democratic president? Shocking! tritsofme Sep 17 #90

It's Biden's fault? sarisataka Sep 17 #102

This might make you feel better BannonsLiver Sep 17 #111

What? Hekate Sep 17 #175

Stuxnet redux? Brother Buzz Sep 17 #67

Yeah, I had a similar reaction. DJ Synikus Makisimus Sep 17 #86

Taiwan i read EX500rider Sep 17 #231

They are a major chip manufacturer Brother Buzz Sep 17 #233

What if someone had been in a plane? Or driving? nolabear Sep 17 #69

You should have your pager off while flying. n/t Coventina Sep 17 #95

Has Trump taken credit for this yet? RussBLib Sep 17 #76

He showed Abdul a photo of his pager newdeal2 Sep 17 #82

Ok... so this is interesting. Apparently the pagers were pinged just before exploding... that changes things... mikelewis Sep 17 #93

Eliminating terrorist is a "dirty deed"? TheKentuckian Sep 17 #187

Not only off the rails, but over the cliff also. MarineCombatEngineer Sep 17 #191

If only there was some way to make nuclear centrifuges Arne Sep 17 #96

Well here's hoping Hezbollah never sends members here FullySupportDems Sep 17 #104

Please provide the link to the rule of war that says enemy communications are an illegitimate target. Coventina Sep 17 #108

Sure, like I said, any civilian anywhere as policy? FullySupportDems Sep 17 #122

Please provide the link that states attacks on communications are illegal. Coventina Sep 17 #124

How many civilians were actually killed? MarineCombatEngineer Sep 17 #125

I don't understand your question FullySupportDems Sep 17 #128

..... MarineCombatEngineer Sep 17 #131

I'll have to look, I thought it was reported everywhere FullySupportDems Sep 17 #152

Looks like someone else found a source FullySupportDems Sep 17 #155

My opinion would be that those deaths would be on the terrorist org., Hizbollah, MarineCombatEngineer Sep 17 #156

I understand no one has taken credit for blowing up the pagers FullySupportDems Sep 17 #223

You don't know crap about waging war do you? MarineCombatEngineer Sep 17 #114

I don't know crap about waging war? FullySupportDems Sep 17 #127

Thanks for proving my point. MarineCombatEngineer Sep 17 #130

No, it is Not FullySupportDems Sep 17 #140

Again, you proved my point. MarineCombatEngineer Sep 17 #141

Well then 'splain it to me what who says he's a FullySupportDems Sep 17 #160

.... MarineCombatEngineer Sep 17 #162

I think you don't have an answer FullySupportDems Sep 17 #167

I think you are ignorant past belief if you don't recognize that DU's veterans have knowledge & experience... Hekate Sep 17 #178

I AM a DU veteran FullySupportDems Sep 17 #226

Welcome to DU, my apologies for neglecting to extend that before sarisataka Sep 17 #168

This message was self-deleted by its author MarineCombatEngineer Sep 17 #172

I will try to be respectful FullySupportDems Sep 17 #174

So just out of curiosity, what did your decade of Air Force experience involve that meant you... Hekate Sep 17 #205

Well, I learned that after WW2 there was a trial FullySupportDems Sep 17 #232

I may disagree with you on this issue, MarineCombatEngineer Sep 18 #247

I appreciate that, right back at ya FullySupportDems Sep 18 #248

Thank you MarineCombatEngineer Sep 18 #249

I think you're right FullySupportDems Sep 18 #250

Attacking an enemy's communications systems is not at all debatable, sarisataka Sep 17 #158

Great question. MarineCombatEngineer Sep 17 #163

The more I read this poster in this thread... Hekate Sep 17 #192

Or you could simply ask FullySupportDems Sep 17 #235

It sounds like it's okay if it's only a few civilians maybe? FullySupportDems Sep 17 #170

You didn't answer my question why you are drastically inflating numbers sarisataka Sep 17 #173

And so far We're Geting Crickets from your excellent Cha Sep 17 #202

Sorry I missed this one FullySupportDems Sep 17 #236

There are no Hezbollah members in America ?? Israeli Sep 17 #143

Are you an acceptable target if you get on a plane with one FullySupportDems Sep 17 #164

This operation was as closely targeted as it is possible to be. And as has been pointed out... Hekate Sep 17 #195

But they are not in a declared war are they? FullySupportDems Sep 17 #237

You do realize Hezbollah has been actively attacking Israel since October 8, don't you? elias7 Sep 18 #240

Three or four people in this thread don't know it & don't believe it regardless Hekate Sep 18 #241

Mischaracterizing the situation isn't helpful FullySupportDems Sep 18 #242

Way to completely misunderstand the whole discussion Hekate Sep 17 #177

Pro terrorist accounts all over social media melting over this. Ace Rothstein Sep 17 #107

There are a couple of devices in there that explode. Arne Sep 17 #112

How is this different than setting land mines? JackSabbath Sep 17 #113

oh please Coventina Sep 17 #115

Well then I guess most of us on this thread are going to hell because most of us support MarineCombatEngineer Sep 17 #117

I wish it was as simple as killing terrorists FullySupportDems Sep 17 #136

I wish this was as simple as not pretending to be deliberately obtuse Hekate Sep 17 #209

I don't think I'm being obtuse FullySupportDems Sep 17 #222

lol BannonsLiver Sep 17 #119

How is a raven like a writing desk? sarisataka Sep 17 #159

He'll what? LOL. notroot Sep 17 #181

And the kid(s) that died? asm128 Sep 17 #211

Oh goody, block us all. I will not block you, however, as I am sure your progress here will be full of incident. Hekate Sep 17 #215

That's right... Hezbollah recently killed some children with one of the 100s of rocket attacks on Israel. notroot Sep 17 #217

How is this different from being deliberately obtuse? Hekate Sep 17 #208

...... MarineCombatEngineer Sep 17 #123

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Israeli Sep 17 #151

All at the same time, MarineCombatEngineer Sep 17 #153

Do you think Office Depot would accept returns? RandySF Sep 17 #126

Now it's - injured thousands including doctors & nurses womanofthehills Sep 17 #133

Link? sarisataka Sep 17 #161

Maybe those poor "doctors" and "nurses" shouldn't be carrying TERRORIST pagers? notroot Sep 17 #183

And kittens. Why would a pager-carrying terrorist be in a hospital unless it had already gone off? Hekate Sep 17 #214

As has been proven, just because you're a doctor doesn't mean you're not a terrorist too. Coventina Sep 17 #228

#1 reason not to hide a pager up inside your ass. Kaleva Sep 17 #139

Ouch underpants Sep 17 #148

According to Sky News Arabic Mosby Sep 17 #176

Gotta hand it to whoever thought this up, MarineCombatEngineer Sep 17 #188

I didn't even know that you could still buy pagers anymore--- Jack Valentino Sep 17 #193

This one seems a little morally sus Calculating Sep 17 #197

Then they shouldn't have been terrorists. MarineCombatEngineer Sep 17 #198

Pagers should be turned off in flight. These pagers were purchased by the terrorists themselves. Coventina Sep 17 #227

Have you considered other countries may use pay phones more than the US? sarisataka Sep 17 #200

So noted. Jack Valentino Sep 17 #201

Ironically, pagers are a Jewish invention Bad Thoughts Sep 17 #234

Quite ingenious. I fully support Israel's aim to combat terrorism. Tarc Sep 17 #225