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Coventina

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Tue Sep 17, 2024, 05:58 PM Sep 17

Israel Planted Explosives in Pagers Sold to Hezbollah, Officials Say [View all]

Israel carried out its operation against Hezbollah on Tuesday by hiding explosive material within a new batch of Taiwanese-made pagers imported into Lebanon, according to American and other officials briefed on the operation.

The pagers, which Hezbollah had ordered from Gold Apollo in Taiwan, had been tampered with before they reached Lebanon, according to some of the officials. Most were the company’s AP924 model, though three other Gold Apollo models were also included in the shipment.

The explosive material, as little as one to two ounces, was implanted next to the battery in each pager, two of the officials said. A switch was also embedded that could be triggered remotely to detonate the explosives.

At 3:30 p.m. in Lebanon, the pagers received a message that appeared as though it was coming from Hezbollah’s leadership, two of the officials said. Instead, the message activated the explosives. Lebanon’s health minister told state media at least nine people were killed and more than 2,800 injured.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/17/world/middleeast/israel-hezbollah-pagers-explosives.html

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So, these were pagers purchased by Hezbollah and distributed to their members.

So..............

Well done Israel!

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Yes Hobo Sep 17 #1
It's horrible technology womanofthehills Sep 18 #112
well then I guess you better try your best not to be a Hezbollah supporter NoRethugFriends Sep 18 #151
lol. That would probably be a wise move. JohnSJ Sep 18 #153
I think the idea is that if Israel can do this so can terrorist organizations. MLAA Sep 18 #201
another link requiring subscription and log in to read. nt msongs Sep 17 #2
Archive.ph is your friend BWdem4life Sep 17 #6
ppl could post accessible links and avoid all that baloney nt msongs Sep 17 #8
Not everyone knows how BWdem4life Sep 17 #9
Terrorizing the terrorists BWdem4life Sep 17 #3
what about the thousands injured who were not terrorists?.... msongs Sep 17 #10
See post 11. nt BWdem4life Sep 17 #12
The pagers were purchased by Hezbollah and distributed to their members. Coventina Sep 17 #37
A building, an installation, yes. Not people walking about. AloeVera Sep 17 #41
War on Hezbollah. These people had the pagers for the express purposes of waging terror on Israel. Coventina Sep 17 #44
You mean terror for terror. AloeVera Sep 17 #45
Well, once Israel is allowed to exist, things will get better. Coventina Sep 17 #48
When both people are allowed to exist in freedom and security AloeVera Sep 18 #56
Hold up there soandso Sep 18 #138
Oh Geez. MarineCombatEngineer Sep 18 #142
Can you elaborate? soandso Sep 18 #147
i believe the "Oh jeez" refers to your mention of "their land" Beastly Boy Sep 18 #200
Oh, you don't "buy" what I said? soandso Sep 18 #207
Correction: I don't know who is buying your "just observing" stance. Beastly Boy Sep 18 #217
What I think soandso Sep 19 #218
For someone asking simple questions, you come across as being pretty defensive. Beastly Boy Sep 19 #225
Where is this Israeli-Palestinian conflict taking place soandso Sep 19 #239
Hold up yourself... elias7 Sep 18 #210
I'm familiar with all of those talking points soandso Sep 18 #212
Tell Hezbolla to cut it out paleotn Sep 18 #103
Maybe not. AZSkiffyGeek Sep 18 #136
Or carrier pigeons. nt MarineCombatEngineer Sep 18 #140
2 cans and a string. nt yagotme Sep 20 #247
LOL, until the cans started to explode. MarineCombatEngineer Sep 20 #248
Det cord for string... nt yagotme Sep 20 #249
Exactly what I was thinking. MarineCombatEngineer Sep 20 #250
They can disband or surrender. TheKentuckian Sep 18 #181
If you think using terror and committing war crimes is fair game, AloeVera Sep 20 #255
Sorry AloeVera, MarineCombatEngineer Sep 20 #258
I am sorry for your loss. It must be very emotional for you right now. AloeVera Sep 20 #262
If you're talking about current Lebanon casualties, yagotme Sep 20 #267
What about Hezbollah terrorism? Prendy Sep 19 #236
Hezbollah is launching missiles into Israel. Indiscriminately. yagotme Sep 20 #251
rubbish. the party putting bombs in pagers is responsible for what happens, responsible for all the deaths msongs Sep 17 #47
Rubbish. The pagers were purchased for waging terror. Coventina Sep 17 #49
so if someone sat next to you on a bus and their pager blew up and mangled u thats cool? nt msongs Sep 17 #53
No it's not cool. Beastly Boy Sep 18 #58
Obviously it's your fault for sitting next to a clandestine terrorist Orrex Sep 18 #67
It's actually the clandestine terrorist's fault for sitting next to you. Beastly Boy Sep 18 #206
Lots of drs and nurses had those pagers womanofthehills Sep 18 #98
Lots? How many? sarisataka Sep 18 #99
Because of bad internet connections -drs & nurses often have them womanofthehills Sep 18 #191
Doctors and nurses carry pagers sarisataka Sep 18 #194
Post removed Post removed Sep 20 #271
Where's your source? Where are your links? questionseverything Sep 19 #230
Since you are questioning everything sarisataka Sep 19 #233
They shouldn't be working for Hezbollah then! TheKentuckian Sep 18 #182
you sound like you have direct knowledge of the stats for those things. Beastly Boy Sep 18 #208
2700 injured. Around 3000 pagers bought by and distributed to Hezbollah. onenote Sep 17 #46
How many pagers were detonated? Orrex Sep 20 #297
Huh? Who came up with thousands who were not terrorists? Beastly Boy Sep 18 #59
I'm taking a wild guess here, MarineCombatEngineer Sep 18 #85
I was itching for the answer, but you are right, I didn't expect any. Beastly Boy Sep 18 #89
Hurr Durr Netanyahu Genocide AZSkiffyGeek Sep 19 #234
So can we now declare Israel a terrorist state if they employ terrorism? RAB910 Sep 17 #27
its not terrorism or murder if israel does it based on what I read on much of DU nt msongs Sep 17 #30
+1 Chautauquas Sep 18 #128
It is legitimate and targeted counter terrorism TheKentuckian Sep 18 #179
Have you ever heard of the Fourth Geneva Convention? Beastly Boy Sep 18 #209
Just like we could declare the U.S. a terrorist state BWdem4life Sep 17 #32
Ah, yes. The panacea of whataboutism Orrex Sep 18 #69
No we can't. We can't unilaterally define terrorism in any way we find convenient at any given moment. Beastly Boy Sep 18 #60
this meets the definition of a terror attack RAB910 Sep 18 #63
I don't know what prompted you to make this statement, but you appear to Beastly Boy Sep 18 #75
You claimed Israel's terror attack didn't meet the definition, yet you had no definition. Interesting RAB910 Sep 18 #100
To be clear, Beastly Boy Sep 18 #118
If you refuse to believe me, how about listening to an expert? RAB910 Sep 18 #121
That's interesting I guess, however neither Lebanon nor Israel are parties to the Rome Statute. tritsofme Sep 18 #125
It's not that I refuse to believe you. It's just you gave me no reason to believe you. Beastly Boy Sep 18 #129
So, Hezbollah, from Lebanon, is launching indiscriminate missiles into Israel on a continuing basis. yagotme Sep 20 #252
rec times Mossfern Sep 20 #280
How are you defining terror attack? sarisataka Sep 18 #79
here RAB910 Sep 18 #101
In this case the attack was specifically targeted at Hezbollah members sarisataka Sep 18 #102
Trying to justify a terrorist attack doesn't negate the fact that it was a terror attack RAB910 Sep 18 #104
Except it wasn't a terror attack, no matter how many times you say it is, MarineCombatEngineer Sep 18 #105
Ironic since the number of denials will not change the fact that it was a terror attack designed to terrorize and RAB910 Sep 18 #114
Your definition doesn't fit the circumstances no matter how much you demand everyone pretends it does. TheKentuckian Sep 18 #183
Just because you call it a terrorist attack doesn't mean it is a terrorist attack sarisataka Sep 18 #108
Just because you deny it (even with the attack perfectly matching the definition) doesn't mean it wasn't a terror attack RAB910 Sep 18 #115
One last try sarisataka Sep 18 #119
Literally every military expert saw it differently. The saw the attack as a means to terrorize Hamas and demoralize RAB910 Sep 18 #120
Please link to these statements by these experts sarisataka Sep 18 #122
Here is one, feel free to do the work for the many others RAB910 Sep 18 #123
Don't see a single person The New Arab interviewed sarisataka Sep 18 #124
What happened to "every"? TheKentuckian Sep 18 #185
Let me ask you this soandso Sep 18 #149
A good question sarisataka Sep 18 #156
Fair answer soandso Sep 18 #163
All Hezbollah actions are acts of terrorism, they are a terrorist organization. TheKentuckian Sep 18 #186
Before Israel became a nation state soandso Sep 18 #192
I sympathize with where you're coming from soandso Sep 20 #284
Wouldn't that be part of the idea soandso Sep 20 #286
I see this more like car bombs soandso Sep 18 #146
I suppose you could phrase it that way if sarisataka Sep 18 #148
I haven't followed terribly closely soandso Sep 18 #150
I would say claudette Sep 18 #139
Of course you would. MarineCombatEngineer Sep 18 #141
It's more about how scary this technology is womanofthehills Sep 18 #113
I find that scary, as well soandso Sep 18 #152
The ability to hide explosives in electronics goes back decades EX500rider Sep 18 #199
People are shocked like explosives.Have never been put in a routine item previously sarisataka Sep 18 #203
No - terrorizing the world womanofthehills Sep 18 #116
Yes soandso Sep 18 #155
How do you know claudette Sep 18 #132
Mossad to Hezbollah: FAFO madaboutharry Sep 17 #4
Doesn't that work both ways? soandso Sep 18 #160
Israel decolonized the land. madaboutharry Sep 18 #164
How does that work? soandso Sep 18 #169
Many Jews were driven into the Diaspora, Many remained. madaboutharry Sep 18 #173
"Israel does not have the right to even exist" soandso Sep 18 #175
Decolonized it from its native inhabitants you mean. AloeVera Sep 18 #172
Do you believe Israel has the right to exist sarisataka Sep 18 #178
Ok I'll bite and hope you won't make me regret my honest response. AloeVera Sep 18 #214
I truly appreciate honesty sarisataka Sep 19 #222
This is how we need to talk to each other! AloeVera Sep 19 #241
I think the view on the Palestinians of the average Israeli sarisataka Sep 20 #243
That's gonna be a tough one soandso Sep 20 #289
I just saw this story on NBC Nightly News FakeNoose Sep 17 #5
weapons of mass destructions. many victims were not hezbollah. they just randomly had msongs Sep 17 #7
That's a shame BWdem4life Sep 17 #11
its not a shame. its premediated murder of innocent people msongs Sep 17 #13
And this is different from what Hezbllah does... how? BWdem4life Sep 17 #14
umm no. ppl are responsbile for the morality of their own acts. indiscriminate murder is murder msongs Sep 17 #16
And that's a shame. nt BWdem4life Sep 17 #18
Nobody with a Hezbollah pager is innocent. NT BrianTheEVGuy Sep 17 #24
Were they labeled at Hezbollah Pagers? Johnny2X2X Sep 18 #65
They were part of a batch order by Hizbollah BrianTheEVGuy Sep 18 #96
Oh, it would be somehow "different". aocommunalpunch Sep 18 #106
Only because you seem to insist that Hezbollah can take any legitimate action TheKentuckian Sep 18 #187
If a Hezbollah operative, soandso Sep 18 #170
Better she die than an Israeli victim of her father. NT BrianTheEVGuy Sep 18 #180
My first reaction to your comment soandso Sep 18 #184
You can't make peace with terrorists BrianTheEVGuy Sep 18 #197
What evidence is there soandso Sep 18 #211
Wow BrianTheEVGuy Sep 19 #224
How about addressing what I wrote soandso Sep 19 #237
Yeah, no BrianTheEVGuy Sep 19 #238
What a cop out soandso Sep 19 #240
Actually ..... I think Mossfern Sep 20 #275
Yes pagers work one way, incoming sarisataka Sep 20 #276
I don't think you call a pager with a phone soandso Sep 20 #281
Why would he do that? sarisataka Sep 20 #277
I actually don't know soandso Sep 20 #282
That explains it sarisataka Sep 20 #283
So can two pager operators text each other soandso Sep 20 #285
AFAIK they are inbound only sarisataka Sep 20 #288
How did the 8 yr old girt reap that? iemanja Sep 17 #42
She was an innocent victim BWdem4life Sep 18 #54
True enough soandso Sep 18 #167
you're 100% right, of course... WarGamer Sep 17 #19
Since when does the possession of a communication device for exclusive use by a terrorist group Beastly Boy Sep 18 #61
Post removed Post removed Sep 18 #78
That is an outright lie, MarineCombatEngineer Sep 18 #80
Hezbollah Gave them out to their fellow war fighters. Not jimfields33 Sep 18 #162
"Evil justifies evil" is such a laudably progressive attitude Orrex Sep 18 #66
Those kids killed a couple of weeks ago by Hezbollah at a sports stadium a few weeks ago by their targeted JohnSJ Sep 18 #158
Randomly had access to pagers owned by terrorists? NickB79 Sep 17 #15
Happened to be in the vicinity iemanja Sep 17 #43
I bet we never even learn the child's name FullySupportDems Sep 17 #51
Her name is Fatima Abdullah. Nine years old. Nanjeanne Sep 18 #64
The Times reported 8yrs iemanja Sep 18 #70
I believe that was first reported. Now saying nine. Either way too young to have her life taken. Nanjeanne Sep 18 #77
Glad to be wrong about that FullySupportDems Sep 18 #97
Someone she was associated with was Hamas and that is why she died ArkansasDemocrat1 Sep 20 #263
Or, could have been a lookout/messenger. yagotme Sep 20 #270
Thanks for your compassion for a dead child. By the way, its Hezzbollah not Hamas and I guess your point is Nanjeanne Sep 20 #272
I think of unanticipated consequences ArkansasDemocrat1 Sep 20 #278
As I said, your compassion for an innocent child is staggering. Nanjeanne Sep 20 #279
We learned the names of sarisataka Sep 18 #82
I wasn't sure about replying FullySupportDems Sep 18 #166
Not directed at you personally sarisataka Sep 18 #168
I appreciate that FullySupportDems Sep 18 #193
The air force always did get the brunt of it sarisataka Sep 18 #198
Questioning life choices FullySupportDems Sep 18 #204
I don't think so soandso Sep 18 #177
The responsibility is still on the TERRORISTS NickB79 Sep 18 #55
Where does that excuse end, exactly? Orrex Sep 18 #71
+1 Dave Bowman Sep 18 #126
It ends when the attacks stop and they surrender. TheKentuckian Sep 18 #190
Israel is attempting, to the best of their ability, to make precision hits against the terrorists. yagotme Sep 20 #254
I'm not sure that's true. Orrex Sep 20 #290
Those devices were being sent to Hezbollah. yagotme Sep 20 #291
Do you imagine that the terrorists would carry the pagers only when alone or with other terrorists? Orrex Sep 20 #296
It's uncountable, because of frequency of occurrence, and I lack the patience yagotme Sep 23 #301
Carpet bombing schools, hospitals, and entire neighborhoods full of children doesn't sound too precise to me. sarisataka Sep 20 #294
Would that make soandso Sep 18 #174
Link? sarisataka Sep 17 #20
NYT when read from google search the page loaded, but copy and paste leads to login required msongs Sep 17 #21
Thank you sarisataka Sep 17 #23
LOL! Beepers are weapons of mass destruction?!?!?! Coventina Sep 17 #38
Not according to Hezbollah Beastly Boy Sep 18 #62
Yes claudette Sep 18 #137
They just randomly had Hezbollah issued encrypted pagers? EX500rider Sep 18 #202
Q would be proud nycbos Sep 17 #17
Wonderful BrianTheEVGuy Sep 17 #22
You might even say it was "balls to the wall." harumph Sep 18 #73
And in some cases... BrianTheEVGuy Sep 18 #95
One to two ounces of high explosive wouldn't make the targets suspicious jmowreader Sep 17 #25
There's a lot I don't understand about the dynamics between all these groups, and I'm sure there are wiggs Sep 17 #26
Hezbollah has been firing rockets into Israel, more since oct 7th Mosby Sep 17 #31
Seems to me the military actions from both have been less than all out war. There have been wiggs Sep 17 #34
I'm sure if Mexico fired over 14,000 Rockets across the border into the US we would consider it war EX500rider Sep 18 #205
Post removed Post removed Sep 17 #28
I'm not ok with Israel using terrorist tactics. bullimiami Sep 17 #29
Right. they should just nicely ask Hezbollah to not fire missiles into Israel anymore. NoRethugFriends Sep 17 #33
LOL!!! Monstrous is buying beepers for your terrorist organization to plot and plan terrorism. Coventina Sep 17 #39
Hezbollah Are Terrorists. IDF is Fighting Terrorism. Cha Sep 17 #50
Me neither claudette Sep 18 #134
oh, so it was not Hezbollah sending missiles into Israel NoRethugFriends Sep 18 #154
There is a book I would like to recommend: madaboutharry Sep 17 #35
They have identified the Mossad Agent involved. Jk23 Sep 17 #36
Israel was sending targeted drone strikes to terrorist cellphones via its GPS *BOOM* Tarc Sep 17 #40
Taiwanese company enid602 Sep 17 #52
War criminals for going after terrorists? Elessar Zappa Sep 18 #72
..... MarineCombatEngineer Sep 18 #74
Booby trap enid602 Sep 18 #130
That would be optimal. nt MarineCombatEngineer Sep 18 #135
Some of the reactions to this are a trip Sympthsical Sep 18 #57
I wish this wasn't so funny...or true. tritsofme Sep 18 #68
There seems to be much concern that terrorists are being fought unfairly sarisataka Sep 18 #81
What's not " a trip" is the pleasure a few DUers are taking in maiming suspects without trial muriel_volestrangler Sep 18 #86
Without a trial? MarineCombatEngineer Sep 18 #87
Well then, you don't carry out death sentences or deliberate maiming on them muriel_volestrangler Sep 18 #88
In war, Command and Control systems are a legitimate target, MarineCombatEngineer Sep 18 #92
War is an awful thing Sympthsical Sep 18 #90
With Hezbollah, it's worth remembering it was formed in response to the Israeli invasion of Lebanon muriel_volestrangler Sep 18 #91
Oh my, MarineCombatEngineer Sep 18 #93
"When we targeted Nazis, we hit some party members not holding a gun" Sympthsical Sep 18 #94
honestly RJ_MacReady Sep 18 #107
Seems that way doesn't it? MarineCombatEngineer Sep 18 #109
I'm pointing out that the glee at people getting maimed and killed has its own problems muriel_volestrangler Sep 18 #110
I'm gleeing at terrorists getting maimed and killed MarineCombatEngineer Sep 18 #111
Why would you let your thoughts be dictated by what the far right thinks? Here are better people: muriel_volestrangler Sep 18 #117
If they are worried about escalation or civilian casualties they should prioritize stopping the attacks TheKentuckian Sep 18 #196
Why did Israel invade Lebanon? JoseBalow Sep 18 #171
Because of the PLO - a quite different grouping from Hezbollah (nt) muriel_volestrangler Sep 18 #176
Which ones blew up the US Marines barracks? JoseBalow Sep 18 #213
"is a suitable sentence, carried out without trial" You don't seem to have a firm grasp on how war works EX500rider Sep 18 #216
War? Israel has signed agreements not to use booby traps in war muriel_volestrangler Sep 19 #219
Except they didn't booby trap civilian objects lying around EX500rider Sep 19 #223
That was really clever. I can't really leftyladyfrommo Sep 18 #76
Yes. Extreme communication difficulties for Hezbollah now rollin74 Sep 18 #83
Honestly that sounds like a movie plot. leftyladyfrommo Sep 18 #84
Curious about something, since you raised it. AloeVera Sep 18 #188
Wow, a lot of people love indiscriminate violence here. kjones Sep 18 #127
This was the opposite of "indiscriminate ". It was very marybourg Sep 18 #133
Ok, so Israel wanted to kill kids. Got it. kjones Sep 20 #264
You obviously don't "got it", as "kids" didn't appear anywhere in their post. yagotme Sep 23 #302
No inconsistency. Lifelong liberal and never has supporting terrorists been one of my values. notroot Sep 18 #143
indiscriminate is targeting Hezbollah members?? NoRethugFriends Sep 18 #157
Nah, I'm not one of the people who regularly has to justify how children are somehow terrorists. kjones Sep 20 #265
"indiscriminate" Tarc Sep 18 #195
Yes, if I detonate hundreds of explosive devices without knowing where they are and who has them, it is indescriminate. kjones Sep 20 #266
Terrorists had them. Or terrorist-adjacent people. Tarc Sep 20 #292
Wow, a lot of people give certain people a pass here. NT Patton French Sep 18 #215
Yeah, some people here are pretty cool with dead kids. kjones Sep 20 #268
Nobody here is cool with dead kids, MarineCombatEngineer Sep 20 #269
Really? Do tell... sarisataka Sep 20 #273
"Certain people" Tarc Sep 20 #293
This message was self-deleted by its author MarineCombatEngineer Sep 20 #295
Huh? Patton French Sep 21 #298
Oops, my bad, wrong person. MarineCombatEngineer Sep 21 #299
No worries. Patton French Sep 21 #300
The next time a terrorist act kills Jewish children sarisataka Sep 20 #274
Yep claudette Sep 18 #131
Yawn Coventina Sep 18 #144
I will join you... madaboutharry Sep 18 #145
Yup 😴 nt Raine Sep 19 #220
Yeah! BrianTheEVGuy Sep 18 #159
Agree Raine Sep 19 #221
"Israel doing what it does best. Killing innocent people." EX500rider Sep 19 #242
The poor, poor put upon and totally innocent terrorist! TheKentuckian Sep 20 #287
Shameful - never underestimate nasty people. walkingman Sep 18 #161
I can hear it... sarisataka Sep 18 #165
You got that right! n/t Coventina Sep 18 #189
Not so great had one of those pagers ended up on a Klarkashton Sep 19 #226
Pagers are supposed to be off on planes. Coventina Sep 19 #227
I'm sure they relied on that rule. JFC. Klarkashton Sep 19 #228
A major terrorist organization was crippled, a huge win in the fight against global terrorism. Coventina Sep 19 #232
I read one analysis (I will try to relocate the article) sarisataka Sep 19 #229
I'll take your word for it. LOL. Klarkashton Sep 19 #231
Didn't find the exact article but here you go sarisataka Sep 19 #235
Not nearly enough explosives to endanger a commercial airliner FBaggins Sep 20 #244
I guess you are the expert. Klarkashton Sep 20 #245
FBaggins is correct. MarineCombatEngineer Sep 20 #246
In this conversation? Yes FBaggins Sep 20 #253
You DO have to remember, some of us here have served, yagotme Sep 20 #257
"There's a reason the TSA limits liquids a bit over three ounces." yep EX500rider Sep 20 #256
I'm just curious, but if a battery was replaced, would the pager still work properly? yagotme Sep 20 #259
I assume it just would not last as long between being charged up EX500rider Sep 20 #261
Other reporting said the batteries were laced with PETN FBaggins Sep 20 #260
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