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In reply to the discussion: No, pro Palestinian leftists, Israel is not committing genocide [View all]Martin Eden
(13,644 posts)As for your characterization of my argument, I invite you to take a long walk off a short pier.
Do Nazis support the right of Israel to defend itself and to exist as a nation state for the Jewish people?
I do.
Do you think Netanyahu supports a two state solution?
His own statements say otherwise.
Do you think after all that has happened, Jews and Palestinians can live together peacefully as citizens with equal rights in a single state?
I sincerely wish that were possible, but I highly doubt it. The tragic history of this conflict has demonstrated that any effort for peace can be derailed by bad actors committing the next atrocity.
Nothing in the last 100 years of human history compares with the Holocaust, not even the murderous regime of Milosevic. If you say "ethnic cleansing" carries too much baggage I'll accept that, so a different term is needed for Netanyahu's efforts to reduce the Palestinian population within a single state of Israel.
History has also clearly shown that the Jewish people have good reason not to feel secure as guests or even citizens in a country that is not their own. They were long discriminated against in the USA, and neo-Nazis still pose a threat.
There was no perfect solution for a Jewish homeland, but they have a long history and deep roots in the land around Jerusalem. It has taken remarkable bravery and perseverence to survive and thrive in a small area surrounded by a sea of Muslim peoples who mostly don't want them there.
Let me be clear about a few things:
I am not reliigious myself, and bear no ill will towards anyone based on race, religion, or ethnicity.
I always try to understand things logically, not in the heat of emotion.
In my view, Jerusalem should be an international city of peace and brotherhood for those who truly embrace the monotheistic God of Abraham.
Tragically, the opposite has been true.
The question at hand is the likelihood of Jews and a large Palestinian population coexisting peacefully as citizens within a single state of Israel.
I'd like to believe that, but I dont.
I assert Netanyahu does not, and his actions resulting in the deaths of 40,000 Palestinians are a deliberate strategy.
As for Hamas, they had to know their actions on Oct 7 would reign death on the people they ostensibly serve. I can't get inside their heads, but I suspect it was a desperate ploy to gain worldwide sympathy for Palestinian victimhood as their deaths surpassed 100, 200, 300 times the atrocity of Oct 7.
The goal of Hamas -- driving out the Jews "from the river to the sea" -- is a delusion of twisted hearts and minds.
Hamas is the much bigger obstacle to the ideal of both sides living together in peace within a single nation state.
In the current humanitarian disaster and tragic loss of life, many more hearts and minds are being twisted amid the rubble.