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werdna

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79. Two points.

Sun Sep 29, 2024, 05:43 PM

Sep 29

1) Just in case you might not have noticed, the link I posted, https://www.ushmm.org/genocide-prevention/learn-about-genocide-and-other-mass-atrocities/what-is-genocide, goes to the United States Memorial Holocaust Museum. It is their definition you are arguing against. So why not address your concerns to them?
2) Since it was posted " Yes, the 41,000 people killed is a tragedy. . . And that is not genocide, genocide would have a far higher death toll." I emphasized "in part" simply to draw your attention to that fact. Evidently, the USMHM does not feel the Number of deaths is the qualifier for defining a genocide, rather the intent of the nation inflicting the deaths, as is explicit in their definition. Again, take up your argument with them.

I choose not to take a side in a conflict that has existed practically since the Jewish faith was founded by Abraham, as I am neither Jewish nor Palestinian. I only replied to the original post to provide a generally accepted definition for genocide to point out that their statement that genocide is dependent on the number of those killed is erroneous.That is all. Sorry your feathers got rankled.

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No, pro Palestinian leftists, Israel is not committing genocide [View all] DSandra Sep 29 OP

Why We Need a New Term for Mass Atrocities TomWilm Sep 29 #1

It's an overused word soandso Sep 29 #99

We already have one.... Mysterian Sep 30 #116

Whether we like to admit it or not, the Palestinian people harbored Hamas. FlyingPiggy Oct 1 #125

That hospital story is still disputed ... TomWilm Oct 2 #130

It's 2% of the population, one out of every 50 people RidinWithHarris Sep 29 #2

If not to insure ongoing hatred of Israel, why do so many people who know better insist on calling it genocide? Beastly Boy Sep 29 #35

I don't the the word choice is the biggest problem here n/t RidinWithHarris Sep 29 #42

It shows very pronounced anti-Israel bias. Beastly Boy Sep 29 #44

A lot of people aren't precise with words RidinWithHarris Sep 29 #46

If this were to happen once or twice in a blue moon, you could blame it on imprecise wording. Beastly Boy Sep 29 #57

No, just suspiciously like a very common for of imprecision RidinWithHarris Sep 29 #68

To use your example, "decimate" is not a legal term. "Genocide" is. Beastly Boy Sep 29 #84

So you think most people think of "genocide" as a legal term? RidinWithHarris Sep 29 #85

Of course not. They pretend to think of it as a legal term while being willfuly ignorant of what it entails. Beastly Boy Sep 29 #88

"They pretend to think of it as a legal term"? RidinWithHarris Sep 29 #96

Some shocking news: Beastly Boy Sep 29 #107

But you're not just pointing out a fallacy, not just pointing out the word "genocide" being used incorrectly RidinWithHarris Sep 30 #115

Wasn't it obvious from the start? Beastly Boy Sep 30 #118

What do I need to make my mind up about? RidinWithHarris Sep 30 #123

Did you ever come across an OP on DU containing instances of violence in Gaza? Beastly Boy Oct 1 #124

+1 betsuni Oct 1 #127

I suppose if you have a suspicious nature... RidinWithHarris Oct 1 #128

When one detects suspiciously consistent narrative patterns, it would be pure folly to not acknowledge them. Beastly Boy Oct 1 #129

It seems like hatred of Israel is the root DSandra Sep 29 #63

2 wrongs does not make it right. Blue Full Moon Sep 29 #3

You don't get to claim the moral high ground after Israel murders over 100,000 innocent people RAB910 Sep 29 #4

So Hamas' made up death toll is up to 100k now? BannonsLiver Sep 29 #33

" Gaza toll could exceed 186,000, Lancet study says" womanofthehills Sep 29 #98

According to a study published in The Lancet this July Rob H. Sep 29 #51

The same Lancet with the totally BS causalities figures from the 2nd Persian Gulf War against Iraq? EX500rider Sep 29 #56

So you think an entirely different study by an entirely different team of researchers Rob H. Sep 29 #59

Somehow I doubt Hamas is underestimating the causality figures EX500rider Sep 29 #90

About ALL of the authors: Rob H. Sep 30 #119

It is genocide DemonGoddess Sep 29 #5

Correct malaise Sep 29 #8

This woman is terrific moniss Sep 29 #13

She is the Prime Minister of Barbados malaise Sep 29 #15

I especially liked her point moniss Sep 29 #16

Yep malaise Sep 29 #18

I'll see your book of Samuel and raise you the book or Romans soandso Sep 29 #113

So wrong. Genocide is INTENTIONAL killing of a group of people based on their ethnicity or race elias7 Sep 29 #11

Wholly incorrect. Jirel Sep 29 #17

Quote Mosby Sep 29 #23

You might have a point here DSandra Sep 29 #32

It's a bloody war between two people with towers of baggage that hate each other DSandra Sep 29 #26

Sadly, I agree susanr516 Sep 29 #82

Why would Israel want to wipe out 2 million of its own citizens? Beastly Boy Sep 29 #36

It's Not "genocide". Hamas wants to WIPE out Israel. Cha Sep 29 #53

It doesn't matter, they'll just find something else to blame Israel for elias7 Sep 29 #6

And here's the icing on the cake: Pro-Palestine group ties with Hamas DSandra Sep 29 #60

Yes it doesn't matter, They'll find some other reason to excuse Bibi's genocide againt the Palestinians. canuckledragger Sep 29 #72

It's ethnic cleansing, not genocide Martin Eden Sep 29 #7

Dear gods. Jirel Sep 29 #14

Then what is the term for mass bombing of civilians and pushing them off their land? Martin Eden Sep 29 #21

"Do you think after all that has happened, Jews and Palestinians can live together peacefully as citizens with equal Beastly Boy Sep 29 #38

With the question you asked and answered, you are ignoring Gaza and the West Bank Martin Eden Sep 29 #49

The question was yours. My response was to bring your attention to the state where the answer to your question Beastly Boy Sep 29 #55

Are "cultural differences" the distinction between Israeli Palestinians and those in the West Bank and Gaza? Martin Eden Sep 29 #75

Yes, these are the cultural differences I am referring to. Beastly Boy Sep 29 #106

They do not have equal rights. Eko Sep 29 #86

I think that H2O Man Sep 29 #97

Grow up. It's genocide. Jirel Sep 29 #9

It helps if you read and pay attention to what you read before you post it. Beastly Boy Sep 29 #39

love seeing these two "sides" of the issues. there can only be two right? Nimble_Idea Sep 29 #10

Your post is ignoring the fact that moniss Sep 29 #12

The ICJ has NOT found Israel's conduct to at least merit charges for war crimes. Beastly Boy Sep 29 #40

Oh my deepest apologies I confused the ICJ rulings with the ICC rulings moniss Sep 29 #114

There is no ICC ruling either, your note for reference notwithstanding. Beastly Boy Sep 30 #117

You are correct about the ICC Court itself not having made a determination versus moniss Sep 30 #120

It's a good thing we are not in college full of good professors. Beastly Boy Sep 30 #121

Only 41000, life doesn't have much value, I guess. That is only 2% of the population. doc03 Sep 29 #19

Nader let Bush become president, and Bush lied to get us into war with Iraq... DSandra Sep 29 #27

Not to Hamas it doesn't! Beastly Boy Sep 29 #41

So it is the fault of Gazan civilians for getting in the way. Bibi could nuke Gaza and kill doc03 Sep 29 #50

No, silly! It's the fault of Hamas! Beastly Boy Sep 29 #81

While I am not a "pro Palestinian leftist", you might want to remove your post. werdna Sep 29 #20

You may want to remove your post. Beastly Boy Sep 29 #43

Two points. werdna Sep 29 #79

Both points noted, and I am not arguing agains either. Beastly Boy Sep 29 #94

It's Definitely Ethnic Cleansing Deep State Witch Sep 29 #22

This might make some sense if there was evidence of land taken by Israel as a resultt of Beastly Boy Sep 29 #45

The West Bank Deep State Witch Sep 29 #92

West Bank & Gaza are different places EX500rider Sep 29 #95

You are wrong. Beastly Boy Sep 29 #109

Whatever lets you sleep at night I guess. Arthur_Frain Sep 29 #24

Doesn't sound like genocide, does it? Beastly Boy Sep 29 #48

"only 40,000" Rob H. Sep 29 #25

That's nothing compared to the death toll of a Republican when they become president DSandra Sep 29 #29

"No cause justifies the deaths of innocent people." - Albert Camus Ping Tung Sep 29 #28

Yes, that. Easterncedar Sep 29 #58

"Yes, the 41,000 people killed is a tragedy..." Prairie Gates Sep 29 #30

It is being used as an excuse to justify refusing to back Democrats DSandra Sep 29 #31

Excellent post BannonsLiver Sep 29 #34

This message was self-deleted by its author WarGamer Sep 29 #37

The first step to Peace is honesty and not one-sided propaganda. nt PufPuf23 Sep 29 #47

Anti-Semitic far lefties don't care about "genocide" BrianTheEVGuy Sep 29 #52

Not to mention being in groups with ties with Hamas DSandra Sep 29 #61

Ah yes BrianTheEVGuy Sep 29 #62

LOL, the irony DSandra Sep 29 #65

But but but BrianTheEVGuy Sep 29 #66

Ah yes, Qatar funneling money to American Universities DSandra Sep 29 #67

And recruit unwitting pawns BrianTheEVGuy Sep 29 #105

And some of Bibi's pawn don't understand that they're Bibi's pawns. canuckledragger Sep 29 #111

ah yes, the old 'anti-semitism' deflection when people point out Bibi's genocide against the Palestinians. canuckledragger Sep 29 #100

I for one am not using it as an excuse not to vote for Kamala. Susan Calvin Sep 29 #54

It's ethnic cleansing. Hassin Bin Sober Sep 29 #64

Oh, it most definitely IS genocide. canuckledragger Sep 29 #69

I suggest that with a slogan such as "From the river to the sea", it is the Palestinians marybourg Sep 29 #73

And yet it's the Palestinian civilians that are the ones getting slaughtered by the 10's of 1000's canuckledragger Sep 29 #74

I think it may have been pointed out once or twice marybourg Sep 29 #77

So slaughtering innocent civilians is OK to you...or only if they're Palestinians? canuckledragger Sep 29 #78

The other option being? marybourg Sep 29 #80

That's all I need to know about you. canuckledragger Sep 29 #83

O, it's about ME? I had no idea. marybourg Sep 29 #89

There's plenty of factual evidence of Bibi's genocide canuckledragger Sep 29 #110

I know it's Not "genocide".. Mahalo for your OP. Cha Sep 29 #70

Yes. Just like they did to help Trump get in office in 2016. DSandra Sep 29 #103

Exactly' TY.. Those that Pushed Jill Stein's Lies are Complicit Cha Sep 29 #108

Yikes! 41,000 is equivalent to 6,826,500 Americans killed. ecstatic Sep 29 #71

I think $200 bbl oil would be a good wake-up call to the world, TBH. roamer65 Sep 29 #76

Whew, that's a relief! Redleg Sep 29 #87

I wonder if you'd see it that way... al bupp Sep 29 #91

Only 40,000? iemanja Sep 29 #93

It may not be genocide, but Israel is committing war crimes. Buttoneer Sep 29 #101

Population of Palestinians has gone up, no genocide. The word is incorrectly redefined for propaganda, encourage disgust betsuni Sep 29 #102

Semantics about genocide aside, I don't know about you Mad_Machine76 Sep 29 #104

"Gotta break a few eggs to make an omelette", eh? LudwigPastorius Sep 29 #112

Hamas started a war and now people are getting killed in the war Mysterian Sep 30 #122

Orwell: "political speech and writing are largely the defense of the indefensible" DBoon Oct 1 #126