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98. " Gaza toll could exceed 186,000, Lancet study says"

Sun Sep 29, 2024, 08:25 PM

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In recent conflicts, such indirect deaths range from three to 15 times the number of direct deaths. Applying a conservative estimate of four indirect deaths per one direct death9 to the 37?396 deaths reported, it is not implausible to estimate that up to 186?000 or even more deaths could be attributable to the current conflict in Gaza. Using the 2022 Gaza Strip population estimate of 2?375?259, this would translate to 7·9% of the total population in the Gaza Strip. A report from Feb 7, 2024, at the time when the direct death toll was 28?000, estimated that without a ceasefire there would be between 58?260 deaths (without an epidemic or escalation) and 85?750 deaths (if both occurred) by Aug 6, 2024.10

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(24)01169-3/fulltext

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No, pro Palestinian leftists, Israel is not committing genocide [View all] DSandra Sep 29 OP

Why We Need a New Term for Mass Atrocities TomWilm Sep 29 #1

It's an overused word soandso Sep 29 #99

We already have one.... Mysterian Sep 30 #116

Whether we like to admit it or not, the Palestinian people harbored Hamas. FlyingPiggy Oct 1 #125

That hospital story is still disputed ... TomWilm Oct 2 #130

It's 2% of the population, one out of every 50 people RidinWithHarris Sep 29 #2

If not to insure ongoing hatred of Israel, why do so many people who know better insist on calling it genocide? Beastly Boy Sep 29 #35

I don't the the word choice is the biggest problem here n/t RidinWithHarris Sep 29 #42

It shows very pronounced anti-Israel bias. Beastly Boy Sep 29 #44

A lot of people aren't precise with words RidinWithHarris Sep 29 #46

If this were to happen once or twice in a blue moon, you could blame it on imprecise wording. Beastly Boy Sep 29 #57

No, just suspiciously like a very common for of imprecision RidinWithHarris Sep 29 #68

To use your example, "decimate" is not a legal term. "Genocide" is. Beastly Boy Sep 29 #84

So you think most people think of "genocide" as a legal term? RidinWithHarris Sep 29 #85

Of course not. They pretend to think of it as a legal term while being willfuly ignorant of what it entails. Beastly Boy Sep 29 #88

"They pretend to think of it as a legal term"? RidinWithHarris Sep 29 #96

Some shocking news: Beastly Boy Sep 29 #107

But you're not just pointing out a fallacy, not just pointing out the word "genocide" being used incorrectly RidinWithHarris Sep 30 #115

Wasn't it obvious from the start? Beastly Boy Sep 30 #118

What do I need to make my mind up about? RidinWithHarris Sep 30 #123

Did you ever come across an OP on DU containing instances of violence in Gaza? Beastly Boy Oct 1 #124

+1 betsuni Oct 1 #127

I suppose if you have a suspicious nature... RidinWithHarris Oct 1 #128

When one detects suspiciously consistent narrative patterns, it would be pure folly to not acknowledge them. Beastly Boy Oct 1 #129

It seems like hatred of Israel is the root DSandra Sep 29 #63

2 wrongs does not make it right. Blue Full Moon Sep 29 #3

You don't get to claim the moral high ground after Israel murders over 100,000 innocent people RAB910 Sep 29 #4

So Hamas' made up death toll is up to 100k now? BannonsLiver Sep 29 #33

" Gaza toll could exceed 186,000, Lancet study says" womanofthehills Sep 29 #98

According to a study published in The Lancet this July Rob H. Sep 29 #51

The same Lancet with the totally BS causalities figures from the 2nd Persian Gulf War against Iraq? EX500rider Sep 29 #56

So you think an entirely different study by an entirely different team of researchers Rob H. Sep 29 #59

Somehow I doubt Hamas is underestimating the causality figures EX500rider Sep 29 #90

About ALL of the authors: Rob H. Sep 30 #119

It is genocide DemonGoddess Sep 29 #5

Correct malaise Sep 29 #8

This woman is terrific moniss Sep 29 #13

She is the Prime Minister of Barbados malaise Sep 29 #15

I especially liked her point moniss Sep 29 #16

Yep malaise Sep 29 #18

I'll see your book of Samuel and raise you the book or Romans soandso Sep 29 #113

So wrong. Genocide is INTENTIONAL killing of a group of people based on their ethnicity or race elias7 Sep 29 #11

Wholly incorrect. Jirel Sep 29 #17

Quote Mosby Sep 29 #23

You might have a point here DSandra Sep 29 #32

It's a bloody war between two people with towers of baggage that hate each other DSandra Sep 29 #26

Sadly, I agree susanr516 Sep 29 #82

Why would Israel want to wipe out 2 million of its own citizens? Beastly Boy Sep 29 #36

It's Not "genocide". Hamas wants to WIPE out Israel. Cha Sep 29 #53

It doesn't matter, they'll just find something else to blame Israel for elias7 Sep 29 #6

And here's the icing on the cake: Pro-Palestine group ties with Hamas DSandra Sep 29 #60

Yes it doesn't matter, They'll find some other reason to excuse Bibi's genocide againt the Palestinians. canuckledragger Sep 29 #72

It's ethnic cleansing, not genocide Martin Eden Sep 29 #7

Dear gods. Jirel Sep 29 #14

Then what is the term for mass bombing of civilians and pushing them off their land? Martin Eden Sep 29 #21

"Do you think after all that has happened, Jews and Palestinians can live together peacefully as citizens with equal Beastly Boy Sep 29 #38

With the question you asked and answered, you are ignoring Gaza and the West Bank Martin Eden Sep 29 #49

The question was yours. My response was to bring your attention to the state where the answer to your question Beastly Boy Sep 29 #55

Are "cultural differences" the distinction between Israeli Palestinians and those in the West Bank and Gaza? Martin Eden Sep 29 #75

Yes, these are the cultural differences I am referring to. Beastly Boy Sep 29 #106

They do not have equal rights. Eko Sep 29 #86

I think that H2O Man Sep 29 #97

Grow up. It's genocide. Jirel Sep 29 #9

It helps if you read and pay attention to what you read before you post it. Beastly Boy Sep 29 #39

love seeing these two "sides" of the issues. there can only be two right? Nimble_Idea Sep 29 #10

Your post is ignoring the fact that moniss Sep 29 #12

The ICJ has NOT found Israel's conduct to at least merit charges for war crimes. Beastly Boy Sep 29 #40

Oh my deepest apologies I confused the ICJ rulings with the ICC rulings moniss Sep 29 #114

There is no ICC ruling either, your note for reference notwithstanding. Beastly Boy Sep 30 #117

You are correct about the ICC Court itself not having made a determination versus moniss Sep 30 #120

It's a good thing we are not in college full of good professors. Beastly Boy Sep 30 #121

Only 41000, life doesn't have much value, I guess. That is only 2% of the population. doc03 Sep 29 #19

Nader let Bush become president, and Bush lied to get us into war with Iraq... DSandra Sep 29 #27

Not to Hamas it doesn't! Beastly Boy Sep 29 #41

So it is the fault of Gazan civilians for getting in the way. Bibi could nuke Gaza and kill doc03 Sep 29 #50

No, silly! It's the fault of Hamas! Beastly Boy Sep 29 #81

While I am not a "pro Palestinian leftist", you might want to remove your post. werdna Sep 29 #20

You may want to remove your post. Beastly Boy Sep 29 #43

Two points. werdna Sep 29 #79

Both points noted, and I am not arguing agains either. Beastly Boy Sep 29 #94

It's Definitely Ethnic Cleansing Deep State Witch Sep 29 #22

This might make some sense if there was evidence of land taken by Israel as a resultt of Beastly Boy Sep 29 #45

The West Bank Deep State Witch Sep 29 #92

West Bank & Gaza are different places EX500rider Sep 29 #95

You are wrong. Beastly Boy Sep 29 #109

Whatever lets you sleep at night I guess. Arthur_Frain Sep 29 #24

Doesn't sound like genocide, does it? Beastly Boy Sep 29 #48

"only 40,000" Rob H. Sep 29 #25

That's nothing compared to the death toll of a Republican when they become president DSandra Sep 29 #29

"No cause justifies the deaths of innocent people." - Albert Camus Ping Tung Sep 29 #28

Yes, that. Easterncedar Sep 29 #58

"Yes, the 41,000 people killed is a tragedy..." Prairie Gates Sep 29 #30

It is being used as an excuse to justify refusing to back Democrats DSandra Sep 29 #31

Excellent post BannonsLiver Sep 29 #34

This message was self-deleted by its author WarGamer Sep 29 #37

The first step to Peace is honesty and not one-sided propaganda. nt PufPuf23 Sep 29 #47

Anti-Semitic far lefties don't care about "genocide" BrianTheEVGuy Sep 29 #52

Not to mention being in groups with ties with Hamas DSandra Sep 29 #61

Ah yes BrianTheEVGuy Sep 29 #62

LOL, the irony DSandra Sep 29 #65

But but but BrianTheEVGuy Sep 29 #66

Ah yes, Qatar funneling money to American Universities DSandra Sep 29 #67

And recruit unwitting pawns BrianTheEVGuy Sep 29 #105

And some of Bibi's pawn don't understand that they're Bibi's pawns. canuckledragger Sep 29 #111

ah yes, the old 'anti-semitism' deflection when people point out Bibi's genocide against the Palestinians. canuckledragger Sep 29 #100

I for one am not using it as an excuse not to vote for Kamala. Susan Calvin Sep 29 #54

It's ethnic cleansing. Hassin Bin Sober Sep 29 #64

Oh, it most definitely IS genocide. canuckledragger Sep 29 #69

I suggest that with a slogan such as "From the river to the sea", it is the Palestinians marybourg Sep 29 #73

And yet it's the Palestinian civilians that are the ones getting slaughtered by the 10's of 1000's canuckledragger Sep 29 #74

I think it may have been pointed out once or twice marybourg Sep 29 #77

So slaughtering innocent civilians is OK to you...or only if they're Palestinians? canuckledragger Sep 29 #78

The other option being? marybourg Sep 29 #80

That's all I need to know about you. canuckledragger Sep 29 #83

O, it's about ME? I had no idea. marybourg Sep 29 #89

There's plenty of factual evidence of Bibi's genocide canuckledragger Sep 29 #110

I know it's Not "genocide".. Mahalo for your OP. Cha Sep 29 #70

Yes. Just like they did to help Trump get in office in 2016. DSandra Sep 29 #103

Exactly' TY.. Those that Pushed Jill Stein's Lies are Complicit Cha Sep 29 #108

Yikes! 41,000 is equivalent to 6,826,500 Americans killed. ecstatic Sep 29 #71

I think $200 bbl oil would be a good wake-up call to the world, TBH. roamer65 Sep 29 #76

Whew, that's a relief! Redleg Sep 29 #87

I wonder if you'd see it that way... al bupp Sep 29 #91

Only 40,000? iemanja Sep 29 #93

It may not be genocide, but Israel is committing war crimes. Buttoneer Sep 29 #101

Population of Palestinians has gone up, no genocide. The word is incorrectly redefined for propaganda, encourage disgust betsuni Sep 29 #102

Semantics about genocide aside, I don't know about you Mad_Machine76 Sep 29 #104

"Gotta break a few eggs to make an omelette", eh? LudwigPastorius Sep 29 #112

Hamas started a war and now people are getting killed in the war Mysterian Sep 30 #122

Orwell: "political speech and writing are largely the defense of the indefensible" DBoon Oct 1 #126