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In reply to the discussion: No, pro Palestinian leftists, Israel is not committing genocide [View all]Rob H.
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MM is a member of the editorial board of the Israel Journal of Health Policy Research and of the International Advisory Committee of the Israel National Institute for Health Policy Research. MM was co-chair of the Institute's 2016 6th International Jerusalem Conference on Health Policy, but writes in a personal capacity. He also collaborates with researchers in Israel, Palestine, and Lebanon. RK and SY declare no competing interests. The authors would like to acknowledge study team members Shofiqul Islam and Safa Noreen for their contribution to collecting and managing the data for this Correspondence.
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Israeli Intelligence Has Deemed Hamas-Run Health Ministrys Death Toll Figures Generally Accurate
Mitchell Prothero
January 25, 2024, 12:06pm
Israeli intelligence services have studied civilian casualty figures released by the Hamas-run Ministry of Health in Gaza and concluded the figures were generally accurate, despite earlier public claims by U.S. and Israeli officials that the ministrys statistics are manipulated.
According to a story in Mekomit by Yuval Avraham, who last year broke news about the Israeli militarys use of AI for targeting purposes, the numbers were accepted for inclusion in briefings to senior Israeli officials after intelligence services conducted operations and analysis to monitor the health ministrys information collection methods and its internal communications and determined the statistics were credible. An Israeli intelligence official confirmed the Israeli governments use of the Gaza ministry numbers to VICE News, while two officials from European intelligence services said they were widely used in official briefings internationally.
The numbers are heavily relied up for official briefings on civilian casualties because with the exception of strikes on high-value targets, where senior officials are briefed on collateral damage, no civilian casualty figures or estimates are collected, said the Israeli official, who cannot be identified in the media. A lot of targets have been hit without prior analysis or estimates and theres never any follow up collection.
You dont know exactly how many you killed, and who you killed, an IDF military targeter told Mekomit.
Mitchell Prothero
January 25, 2024, 12:06pm
Israeli intelligence services have studied civilian casualty figures released by the Hamas-run Ministry of Health in Gaza and concluded the figures were generally accurate, despite earlier public claims by U.S. and Israeli officials that the ministrys statistics are manipulated.
According to a story in Mekomit by Yuval Avraham, who last year broke news about the Israeli militarys use of AI for targeting purposes, the numbers were accepted for inclusion in briefings to senior Israeli officials after intelligence services conducted operations and analysis to monitor the health ministrys information collection methods and its internal communications and determined the statistics were credible. An Israeli intelligence official confirmed the Israeli governments use of the Gaza ministry numbers to VICE News, while two officials from European intelligence services said they were widely used in official briefings internationally.
The numbers are heavily relied up for official briefings on civilian casualties because with the exception of strikes on high-value targets, where senior officials are briefed on collateral damage, no civilian casualty figures or estimates are collected, said the Israeli official, who cannot be identified in the media. A lot of targets have been hit without prior analysis or estimates and theres never any follow up collection.
You dont know exactly how many you killed, and who you killed, an IDF military targeter told Mekomit.
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If not to insure ongoing hatred of Israel, why do so many people who know better insist on calling it genocide?
Beastly Boy
Sep 29
#35
If this were to happen once or twice in a blue moon, you could blame it on imprecise wording.
Beastly Boy
Sep 29
#57
Of course not. They pretend to think of it as a legal term while being willfuly ignorant of what it entails.
Beastly Boy
Sep 29
#88
But you're not just pointing out a fallacy, not just pointing out the word "genocide" being used incorrectly
RidinWithHarris
Sep 30
#115
Did you ever come across an OP on DU containing instances of violence in Gaza?
Beastly Boy
Oct 1
#124
When one detects suspiciously consistent narrative patterns, it would be pure folly to not acknowledge them.
Beastly Boy
Oct 1
#129
You don't get to claim the moral high ground after Israel murders over 100,000 innocent people
RAB910
Sep 29
#4
The same Lancet with the totally BS causalities figures from the 2nd Persian Gulf War against Iraq?
EX500rider
Sep 29
#56
So you think an entirely different study by an entirely different team of researchers
Rob H.
Sep 29
#59
So wrong. Genocide is INTENTIONAL killing of a group of people based on their ethnicity or race
elias7
Sep 29
#11
Yes it doesn't matter, They'll find some other reason to excuse Bibi's genocide againt the Palestinians.
canuckledragger
Sep 29
#72
Then what is the term for mass bombing of civilians and pushing them off their land?
Martin Eden
Sep 29
#21
"Do you think after all that has happened, Jews and Palestinians can live together peacefully as citizens with equal
Beastly Boy
Sep 29
#38
With the question you asked and answered, you are ignoring Gaza and the West Bank
Martin Eden
Sep 29
#49
The question was yours. My response was to bring your attention to the state where the answer to your question
Beastly Boy
Sep 29
#55
Are "cultural differences" the distinction between Israeli Palestinians and those in the West Bank and Gaza?
Martin Eden
Sep 29
#75
The ICJ has NOT found Israel's conduct to at least merit charges for war crimes.
Beastly Boy
Sep 29
#40
You are correct about the ICC Court itself not having made a determination versus
moniss
Sep 30
#120
Only 41000, life doesn't have much value, I guess. That is only 2% of the population.
doc03
Sep 29
#19
So it is the fault of Gazan civilians for getting in the way. Bibi could nuke Gaza and kill
doc03
Sep 29
#50
This might make some sense if there was evidence of land taken by Israel as a resultt of
Beastly Boy
Sep 29
#45
That's nothing compared to the death toll of a Republican when they become president
DSandra
Sep 29
#29
ah yes, the old 'anti-semitism' deflection when people point out Bibi's genocide against the Palestinians.
canuckledragger
Sep 29
#100
I suggest that with a slogan such as "From the river to the sea", it is the Palestinians
marybourg
Sep 29
#73
And yet it's the Palestinian civilians that are the ones getting slaughtered by the 10's of 1000's
canuckledragger
Sep 29
#74
So slaughtering innocent civilians is OK to you...or only if they're Palestinians?
canuckledragger
Sep 29
#78