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ancianita

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66. No doubt. And admirable.

Fri Oct 4, 2024, 03:01 PM

Oct 4

If you believe that the Bible is being fed to the masses by people who want everything to be peace and love, you have missed a lot.

Some have missed alot, agree. The Bible is not in error. Those who have ignorantly and arrogantly misused its message to do violence are condemned by the very Bible they abuse in its name. They are in error, not the Bible. History and the Bible both confirm that.

The Bible contains a "Wisdom" section -- Job, Proverbs, Ecclesiastes, Ecclesiasticus and Wisdom. In some Catholic Bibles (only minimally differ in book number from the best word-for-word version, the King James Version), the Song of Songs and Psalms are also grouped in the Wisdom books section.
But the Bible itself is not a "book of wisdom."

Go into any Catholic Church -- the millions of them across nations and continents, celebrated at least 2-4 times every Sunday and once every single day of the week -- where the exact same Mass is celebrated, and you will hear every word of its two-part Liturgy come from the Bible. It is not a "worship service," as protestants call it.
It is the Mass, celebrated by the apostles and their successors for almost two millennia. That's how important the Bible is in Catholicism, contrary to what non-Catholics think.

The Bible's Four Gospels of the New Testament explain the founding of the New Covenant made by the historical Jesus and his promise to all humans (Matthew 26:17–29; Mark 14:12–25; Luke 22

–38; and I Corinthians 11:23–25). It is the heart of the Catholic Mass.

I appreciate and support the accounts of DU'ers.
I also remember that plenty of DU'ers have laughed when anyone mistakenly says that DU is representative of Democrats at large. The 51+% of Democrats who are Christian would argue against the claim that violence is "caused by the Bible."

Thanks for your thoughts, and thanks for reading mine.

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Please post a non-paywall link synni Oct 4 #1

Here Nevilledog Oct 4 #3

Belief in a cruel God makes a cruel man. Thomas Paine Ping Tung Oct 4 #48

I guess I was lucky, my non-believer dad used belts, fists and feet. Child abusers are from all niches in society. marble falls Oct 4 #2

Yep. Mine was a belt man. OldBaldy1701E Oct 4 #4

Except for the church stuff, we had the same dad. I have no sympathy whatsoever for anyone hurting children ... marble falls Oct 4 #7

I worked at a school for almost a decade. OldBaldy1701E Oct 4 #11

When I see it going on in public, I do get cold inside and start walking into it. I can't handle hurt children ... marble falls Oct 4 #15

You are protecting your little self, the poor beaten child. AloeVera Oct 4 #37

A shrink once told me I was feeling sorry for myself and that ended therapy for me with him. I went to another ... marble falls Oct 4 #43

That shrink was an emotionally underdeveloped asshole. AloeVera Oct 4 #55

I'll never forget a a radio program back in the 1990's cab67 Oct 4 #59

Just shocked beyond words. "Preach the Gospel daily. If necessary, use words." marble falls Oct 4 #70

Your mentioning the switch brought back a childhood memory. Xavier Breath Oct 4 #78

My father sliced my leg open with one when I was four. OldBaldy1701E Oct 4 #82

Granted but they coalesce among evilgelicals. paleotn Oct 4 #63

It happens in every niche of society. Religion just adds a different twist to it, but it all damnable. My point is ... marble falls Oct 4 #68

I wouldn't call "making the abuser holy" a LITTLE twist . . . hatrack Oct 4 #91

My father's favorites were a bullwhip UpInArms Oct 5 #95

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It is astounding the number of children murdered through physical abuse in cult "Christian" groups. marble falls Oct 4 #10

It can never be acceptable for any organization or individual wnylib Oct 4 #44

Dobson. I'm not surprised to see that fucker mentioned. CrispyQ Oct 4 #8

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I remember watching this in grade school Bayard Oct 4 #13

The fly swatter was it for me, too. HeartsCanHope Oct 4 #58

Yep, we had the strap which was a thick leather Bev54 Oct 4 #20

There was a big wooden paddle in the window of the principal's office of the Catholic school I attended in the 1960s. OMGWTF Oct 4 #21

Head-battering and hitting nails with a ruler were my "teachers" favourites. AloeVera Oct 4 #46

It is still legal in some states. The last time the Supreme Court ruled on it pnwmom Oct 4 #50

Mind boggling that it's legal for a teacher to hit their students. StarryNite Oct 4 #73

Twenty years ago here on DU there were still some people defending this. pnwmom Oct 4 #75

Yes, I remember those days. I got hit with a ruler on my open hand once wnylib Oct 4 #54

It sounds like your homeroom teacher was a great person. StarryNite Oct 4 #72

Oh, yeah. She was great. Students used to hang out wnylib Oct 4 #77

It still is in many states kcr Oct 4 #60

Good grief. :( StarryNite Oct 4 #71

It was routine in the high school I taught in from 1978-1989. n/t Ms. Toad Oct 4 #61

you could get it for bad grades, conduct or otherwise, if you were on my middle school football team in the late 70s prodigitalson Oct 5 #99

Yes, "barbaric" describes it perfectly. StarryNite Oct 5 #100

it was super unusual as well as cruel..even though it was ubiquitous prodigitalson Oct 6 #102

You make very good points. StarryNite Oct 6 #104

Paddles for coperal punishment made in school woodshops?! ☹️ electric_blue68 Oct 6 #105

When the boys got to pick things they wanted to make StarryNite Oct 6 #107

Something wrong somewhere. Kid Berwyn Oct 4 #12

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Kent Hovind, when not misrepresenting evolution TlalocW Oct 4 #16

My mom used wooden spoons. Not gonna say more irisblue Oct 4 #17

Mine, too geardaddy Oct 4 #36

I do not say. Our moms failed irisblue Oct 4 #38

Luckily, my mom turned it around geardaddy Oct 4 #40

I remember families moniss Oct 4 #18

Yikes!!! Ho-Lee-Shit! NM Grins Oct 4 #25

That was my father's MO. no_hypocrisy Oct 4 #19

Kooks Blue for the win Oct 4 #22

"To Train Up a Child" Bernardo de La Paz Oct 4 #23

Sickening. Joinfortmill Oct 4 #27

These sick folks give advice on beating babies. keithbvadu2 Oct 4 #35

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I remember that. geardaddy Oct 4 #47

Rick Perlstein's book, "The Invisible Bridge." Grins Oct 4 #24

Maybe someone Figarosmom Oct 4 #26

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Hit wrong key Figarosmom Oct 4 #33

:) Bernardo de La Paz Oct 4 #53

Gracious! H2O Man Oct 4 #28

The Evangelist Cult and trump rich7862 Oct 4 #29

My parents never inflicted pain on me. Mr.Bill Oct 4 #31

People don't have to be religious to think they are gods Maeve Oct 4 #32

My husband was a product of this bullshit. mzmolly Oct 4 #34

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Spare the rod and Mblaze Oct 4 #41

Thank you for this, Mblaze! HeartsCanHope Oct 4 #74

Thank you for teaching our children Mblaze Oct 5 #98

This small survey does not mean all religious communities. That's an inaccurate extrapolation. ancianita Oct 4 #42

"Not all men" logical fallacy? MineralMan Oct 4 #62

Sure. ancianita Oct 4 #86

There's one verse in the Old Testament book of Psalms: MineralMan Oct 4 #45

Interestingly, the rod is not used to beat the sheep phylny Oct 4 #49

Psalms are literally the "songs" OF David, then later, he & his people who broke their covenant with God - NOT of God. ancianita Oct 4 #52

Yes, I know that. MineralMan Oct 4 #56

No doubt. And admirable. ancianita Oct 4 #66

Aside from old age and disease, MineralMan Oct 4 #81

Some say ancianita Oct 4 #85

Nothing wrong with the Bible. MineralMan Oct 5 #92

Then ancianita Oct 5 #93

We don't really disagree. MineralMan Oct 5 #94

Thanks, and I I fully understand that. (Sorry for the delay, it's been a day... ) ancianita Oct 5 #97

My parents weren't very religious but I lived in terror of the belt Wicked Blue Oct 4 #51

My Mom Broke A Wooden Spoon on My Ass Deep State Witch Oct 4 #64

Hands only. Guess I was lucky paleotn Oct 4 #65

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Hey Dobson -- focus on your own damn family Blue Owl Oct 4 #69

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Getting paddled was something that went on in our elementary school. Fla Dem Oct 4 #79

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Hot wheels tracks Junipercity Oct 4 #84

If they ran public schools: LudwigPastorius Oct 4 #87

My dad ... AncientOfDays Oct 4 #88

my wife was beaten with wooden spoons when she was a child by her mother Takket Oct 4 #89

All children are born curious. hunter Oct 4 #90

I was spanked by my mother when I was a little kid, valleyrogue Oct 5 #96

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"America's dad" Dear_Prudence Oct 6 #103

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