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Sun Oct 6, 2024, 09:19 PM

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I agree with all your posts in this thread.

I don’t have more time to post since Monday beckons and stoners especially gotta work to counter inane stereotypes!

But I do think some of the posters up thread are either being disingenuous or failing to get what some of us are saying.

No rational person would say that you should be stoned day in and day out or that people with mental disorders like bipolar disorder etc may not become worse due to MJ (as well as alcohol).

The point is that in the twilight of prohibition and a potential end to a particularly pointless and vicious drug war (given that alcohol is legal) that has disproportionately affected black and poor Americans, trotting out stuff like this is groan inducing.

It does make one worry about a return to the pre legalization hellscape. Thankfully I live someplace cool now where I don’t get any shit about it.

No one is talking about criminalising alcohol because it is that much the status quo.

However many mental patients abuse it or drunker drivers kill people no one is seriously going to criminalize alcohol. And if alcohol is legal, it is nonsensical to say that MJ (which unlike alcohol has at least some utility) should produce this level of “concern”. Or the next chestnut that “how many of those evils can a society bear?” Bs..society is full of ills that are never addressed at all and many of those are ignored by dinosaurs like the NYT.

The reason for the passionate pushback from many of us is because the drug war and its ally, a type of noxious “concern”, has been that nightmarish.

There will always be people who misuse any damn thing and alcohol, MJ and junk food certainly have a much higher potential of abuse than say..prune juice .

But it is high time (pun unintended ;-/) to be more rational about MJ and to understand it without the constant finger-wagging and pompous preaching.

We get it. The NYT (a tiresome, irritating and frivolous paper that places stories about hair extensions and fine dining next to articles about the havoc caused by climate change..seriously do they ever look at the layout of their paper?) is a hoary dinosaur that doesn’t.

Normally I wouldn’t do it, but the NYT does make me go “okay dinosaur. Thanks for the lecture. Now where’s my weed?”

It is not surprising that the preachiest people in the room are usually the ones that make me want to reach out for an edible .

Thanks for defending Mary Jane in this thread as do I every day .

I do agree it needs more scientific study and I would volunteer for those as long as no preachy and pompous anti was involved. I don’t need that kind of “balance”. Being neutral or open minded is fine. Pretending to not have a bias is bs.

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Marijuana Can Be Harmful To Your Health [View all] qwlauren35 Oct 4 OP

Cool story, bro WhiteTara Oct 4 #1

Did you actually read the article? Ocelot II Oct 4 #6

this part doesn't seem real. WhiteTara Oct 4 #14

The criterion for 'use disorder' includes 'daily use'. Voltaire2 Oct 5 #26

My younger brother has been a daily user for 35+ years. I have seen the effects... PeaceWave Oct 5 #65

Thank you for your honest and frank assessment. Oopsie Daisy Oct 5 #78

My older sister is a major smoker who won't speak to me now kimbutgar Oct 5 #80

perhaps you are biased in your assessment of people? Voltaire2 Oct 5 #83

Maybe but I've encountered that so many times and my assessment has been 100% correct kimbutgar Oct 5 #85

Know what's not a biased opinion? It's an expensive filthy stinky habit... PeaceWave Oct 5 #110

Opinions are by definition biased. Voltaire2 Oct 5 #116

when you smell it on people you know they are addicted? Chautauquas Oct 6 #143

I think that says more about your brother then it says about weed Chautauquas Oct 6 #140

This is a lie Bluesaph Oct 6 #142

That is a whopper of a lie Chautauquas Oct 6 #147

Is drinking one glass of wine a week an alcoholic? Bluesaph Oct 6 #150

facts are not lies quakerboy Oct 8 #177

This message was self-deleted by its author Chautauquas Oct 6 #148

I guess people can be addicted to taking Caribbean vacations Shermann Oct 6 #157

You're arguing just to argue Bluesaph Oct 7 #170

Your observation that I did not define addiction is astute Shermann Oct 7 #171

This is boring Bluesaph Oct 7 #172

What's boring is gaslighting over reefer madness on a forum that strongly supports legalization. nt Shermann Oct 7 #173

You obviously didn't bother to read what others posted Bluesaph Oct 8 #174

"A lot of people are saying it!" - check Shermann Oct 8 #175

Why would anyone spend thousands of dollars a year on Bettie Oct 8 #178

I don't find "doesn't seem real" a compelling argument. Happy Hoosier Oct 15 #187

thanks for your opinion. WhiteTara Oct 15 #188

The problem is people don't know this! Bluesaph Oct 6 #138

So can alcohol You do realize that big pharma want marijuana made illegal. Demsrule86 Oct 8 #180

That's a different article. qwlauren35 Oct 4 #7

It's so harde to take NYT as absolute truth WhiteTara Oct 4 #15

I'm a toxicologist and I find your dismissive response DenaliDemocrat Oct 5 #35

This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Oct 5 #54

It Can Cause Hyponatremia ProfessorGAC Oct 5 #59

This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Oct 5 #60

There was a high school kid playing football DenaliDemocrat Oct 5 #131

16.7# Of Water! ProfessorGAC Oct 5 #133

This has happened opposite to my sister Bluesaph Oct 6 #145

Now that's an oy vey Lulu KC Oct 6 #167

She ProfessorGAC Oct 7 #169

I am a retired H2O Man Oct 5 #92

Pot itself is known to cause paranoia. LeftInTX Oct 6 #144

Yes, it definitely can. H2O Man Oct 6 #159

I've never touched an illegal drug in my life for your exact reasons. Not for moral ones. lindysalsagal Oct 6 #162

No need to smoke...there are gummies. Again same is true of alcohol. Demsrule86 Oct 8 #182

I know several people who developed psychotic disorders Bluesaph Oct 4 #2

Puhleeze. Maybe we should do more regulation with autos, alcohol, cigarettes and firearms that kill tens of millions ... marble falls Oct 4 #11

No kidding. n/t Hugin Oct 5 #46

Maybe if it occurs with someone you know and love, you'll find it substantive Lulu KC Oct 5 #47

Personal experience can line the path to the anecdotal fallacy instead of the path to truth. Shermann Oct 5 #51

Not quite following you but okay n/t Lulu KC Oct 5 #73

I'll elaborate. Shermann Oct 5 #94

It's not just about marijuana Lulu KC Oct 5 #114

I can't say increased drug-related psychosis isn't a trend Shermann Oct 5 #118

I am not making a case about anything Lulu KC Oct 5 #119

I think increased education is needed. I believe now that the Biden admin finally regulated pot, they can do some real LeftInTX Oct 6 #153

I need to quit pot, which gives me pain relief because a very small percentage just can't be near it ... marble falls Oct 15 #186

To be clear Lulu KC Oct 15 #190

Oh ok. You get to decide what is substantive? Bluesaph Oct 6 #149

This message was self-deleted by its author Lulu KC Oct 6 #168

High potency is pricey BidenRocks Oct 5 #23

It's not the high THC level. It has EVERYTHING to do with people who have issues w/certain types of The_REAL_Ecumenist Oct 5 #24

Lol nope obamanut2012 Oct 5 #41

Most research indicates instead that people Voltaire2 Oct 5 #45

I can let you know .... Mossfern Oct 5 #66

cannabis AND ALCOHOL eShirl Oct 5 #79

Notice I said Mossfern Oct 5 #106

My next-door neighbor, Ilene, k55f5r Oct 5 #93

exactly. Perhaps once it gets descheduled those studies can happen. Voltaire2 Oct 5 #99

What would happen is regulation that big Pharma wants...I want the government out. Demsrule86 Oct 8 #183

"concern" noted RJ_MacReady Oct 4 #3

Sez them. marble falls Oct 4 #4

AMA: Marijuana doesn't impact brain function Ptah Oct 4 #5

Of the 120 who initially qualified for the study, those with Cannabis Use Disorder or daily use of cannibis Ms. Toad Oct 5 #17

An actual evidence based study. Voltaire2 Oct 5 #27

Whatevs LW1977 Oct 4 #8

Yep. DU's regularly scheduled foray into reefer madness mode BannonsLiver Oct 5 #20

NYT has been Prohibitionist for a long time. Voltaire2 Oct 5 #32

Do not forget, boys & girls, that in some cases, peanuts KILL! Attilatheblond Oct 5 #82

Whoa I must have missed the peanut wars! BannonsLiver Oct 5 #95

Same story RussBLib Oct 4 #9

I love my MJ jfz9580m Oct 5 #21

It's not a black and white issue. multigraincracker Oct 5 #33

I have a complicated history with marijuana jfz9580m Oct 5 #39

thanks for your contribution RussBLib Oct 5 #89

Thanks for reading RussBLib :) jfz9580m Oct 5 #98

Until a month or so ago I was taking 2 puff before bed for sleep. multigraincracker Oct 5 #91

I am glad it is legal! jfz9580m Oct 5 #103

quality is very uneven RussBLib Oct 5 #111

In all my years working in mental health, I've seen very few cases where marijuana helped my patients. tulipsandroses Oct 4 #10

Nothing is safe for everyone. Lawn darts, anyone? marble falls Oct 4 #12

People think it's medicine. Mosby Oct 5 #18

FDA review womanofthehills Oct 5 #55

Very Common ProfessorGAC Oct 5 #63

Here's an article about neuropathic pain Mosby Oct 5 #68

Thanks for a balanced response jmbar2 Oct 5 #84

consuming an excessive amount can cause strong discomfort and paranoia. and remember when it took a whole msongs Oct 4 #13

So the good news is a very small amount is sufficient. Voltaire2 Oct 5 #28

Right? obamanut2012 Oct 5 #42

In my day the paranoia orangecrush Oct 6 #163

Interesting, but, like alcohol, it will remain a spectator sport for me. DFW Oct 4 #16

Why anybody ever smokes is sort of a mystery Shermann Oct 5 #96

I like a little spicy DFW Oct 5 #129

Gosh! H2O Man Oct 5 #19

If I had some I couldn't use it without fainting. littlemissmartypants Oct 5 #22

as soon as I read something like this, I know it's BS eShirl Oct 5 #25

Well it's true if you select the weakest possible Voltaire2 Oct 5 #30

we had so much good 70's & 80's weed going around here, nobody bothered with the ditch weed eShirl Oct 5 #34

Tell me about it! jmowreader Oct 5 #37

Tell me about it! jmowreader Oct 5 #38

You can get extracts that are 85-90% thc now Mosby Oct 5 #70

'hash oil' started showing up in the early 70s. Voltaire2 Oct 5 #100

Forgot about hash. Mosby Oct 5 #104

It wasn't hash, which has been used for centuries. Voltaire2 Oct 5 #117

It is so strong orangecrush Oct 6 #164

That just means you'd have smoked 20 times as much of the weak stuff. nt Shermann Oct 5 #120

I use everyday. usedtobedemgurl Oct 5 #29

CHS is an allergic reaction to cannabis. Voltaire2 Oct 5 #31

agreed; that is no joke eShirl Oct 5 #36

It didn't point that out, which I also noticed obamanut2012 Oct 5 #43

My son has CVS. You wouldn't believe the abuse he's suffered. nolabear Oct 5 #48

Back to prohibition it is! aocommunalpunch Oct 5 #40

And yet... jcgoldie Oct 5 #44

Ding Ding Ding Ding Ding.nt jfz9580m Oct 5 #49

Water can kill you too Mysterian Oct 5 #50

jail doesn't solve any of those problems PedroXimenez Oct 5 #52

For me to make an informed decision, MorbidButterflyTat Oct 5 #53

That's the spirit! jfz9580m Oct 5 #76

It's the THC levels in the stuff. This is NOT the MJ of the 1960s. valleyrogue Oct 5 #56

My vape is 92% THC and my tincture is 96% THC padfun Oct 5 #86

Aw come on. Spoken like someone who hasn't a clue about the culture at all. And it has been studied to death. flying_wahini Oct 5 #57

I came of age in the 70s -misanthroptimist Oct 5 #58

Well, that's when I smoked it. Side effects: paranoia, out of body feelings (like very heavy legs), sleep disturbances LeftInTX Oct 5 #135

We get patients with hyperemesis syndrome ismnotwasm Oct 5 #61

Yup, Marijuana Can Be Harmful To Your Health, so can republianmushroom Oct 5 #62

I agree and rec. Demsrule86 Oct 8 #184

It was more fun when it was illegal. kentuck Oct 5 #64

Not if you got fined or sent to jail cutroot Oct 6 #161

I'm jealous of you all who find cannabis a pleasant and useful drug. hunter Oct 5 #67

Written by someone living in a van, down by the river. flvegan Oct 5 #69

At age 72 I've never used marijuana, never will. I don't need it. n/t elocs Oct 5 #71

how did you manage to get through the 60's and the 70's without getting stoned? Voltaire2 Oct 5 #88

There are people who undergo security clearances who have not ever smoked it. LeftInTX Oct 5 #136

Conservative religious beliefs can be dangerous to the health of non-believers and generate mental illness. Discuss. PufPuf23 Oct 5 #72

And only a month before the election. Prairie_Seagull Oct 5 #74

What? Recommending that people self moderate THC is an "election thing"? LeftInTX Oct 5 #137

This message was self-deleted by its author Prairie_Seagull Oct 6 #139

I don't think it's really a Democratic thing anymore LeftInTX Oct 6 #141

Many want to see full throated support for de-listing. Prairie_Seagull Oct 6 #151

I'm not that crazy about delisting it. LeftInTX Oct 6 #154

I absolutely think it should be delisted. Demsrule86 Oct 8 #185

Too much marijuana can be harmful to your health. Well duh! So can drinking too much water. retread Oct 5 #75

Just one of the scare stories Blue Full Moon Oct 5 #77

"...it's not well studied..." Wednesdays Oct 5 #81

But we will publish a long - comments blocked - article that acts as if it is authoritative. Voltaire2 Oct 5 #87

Constantly inhaling any type of smoke is not good for people Polybius Oct 5 #90

Health benefits, Cannabis Abuse Disorder and the connection to psychotic breaks can all be real ThreeNoSeep Oct 5 #97

This message was self-deleted by its author jfz9580m Oct 5 #102

Whoops! I meant mg not g ThreeNoSeep Oct 5 #107

Okay that makes more sense jfz9580m Oct 5 #109

Cause or effect? hunter Oct 5 #113

Certainly more thought should be given... LAS14 Oct 5 #101

Your son brought it obamanut2012 Oct 5 #121

It's clear it belonged to my son. We both just think the boys found it at home. LAS14 Oct 5 #122

What is bad for your health is a xanax perscripstion that becomes an addiction sky_masterson Oct 5 #105

They scoff at us stoners while sipping their martinis. Voltaire2 Oct 5 #123

I've smoked Pot for 40 years sky_masterson Oct 5 #125

You have to watch it, just like with alcohol. gulliver Oct 5 #108

Exactly Mossfern Oct 5 #112

correct...EVERYTHING in moderation democratsruletheday Oct 5 #124

Next bombshell report GenThePerservering Oct 5 #115

I should have died a long time ago, I guess. Maybe I have the Keith Richards gene? That's okay I guess. I'd get along brewens Oct 5 #126

I don't disagree with the premise. alarimer Oct 5 #127

So can oxygen. Conjuay Oct 5 #128

Haven't smoked in a long time awesomerwb1 Oct 5 #130

High doses it says. I don't think hardly anything is healthy in high doses. nt Quixote1818 Oct 5 #132

This looks like it was written to manufacture consent for pharmaceutical companies to take over... LudwigPastorius Oct 5 #134

Some people need to mind their own damn business. Emile Oct 6 #146

Reminder maryland native Oct 6 #152

Prohibition has always been about race and class. Voltaire2 Oct 6 #156

Indeed jfz9580m Oct 6 #166

We're not going back to the Nancy Reagan days Tarc Oct 6 #155

Many other countries regulate and control the levels Bev54 Oct 6 #158

very few other countries have legalized recreational cannabis Voltaire2 Oct 6 #165

Fascism is a lot worse for my health orangecrush Oct 6 #160

Reefer Madness again? Thread trashed ZonkerHarris Oct 8 #176

Reefer madness 2.0 Runningdawg Oct 8 #179

Never had a problem with it and never will DFW Oct 8 #181

I didn't see it that way. pwb Oct 15 #189

I'm sharing a gummy with my husband as I read this thread. crosinski Oct 15 #191