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hawkeye21

(308 posts)
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 09:38 AM Nov 2024

The DNC blew it. Here's how and why. [View all]

First, we love Joe, and his 2020 win was fabulous. But he should have announced a year or two ago that he would not seek a second term.

Second, the DNC should have had the data that the country isn't ready for a woman as president. India, Pakistan, New Zealand, and most others have elected female presidents decades ago, but the US is clearly not there yet.

Third, don't nominate a woman from California, a state we have in the bag, who can be tied to the low popularity ratings of Joe Biden--unfair but true--and to the Biden administration and the border, inflation, etc.

Fourth, nominate people who have no direct ties to DC or the Biden administration. (See above.)

Fifth, choose a ticket of governors from battleground states: Josh Shapiro (PA), Gretchen Whitmer (MI), Tim Walz (MN). And, of course, Whitmer could not lead the ticket because, well, she's a woman. So we might have had a Shapiro-Walz ticket, a Walz-Shapiro ticket, a Shapiro-Whitmer ticket, or a Walz-Whitmer ticket. It appears we could have won with any of those tickets, although I might have gone Shapiro-Whitmer with Shapiro-Walz a close second.

I've never been especially politcally active, but I have paid attention. And I am shocked that the outspoken and vastly experienced James Carville and the leaders of the DNC, the Obamas and so on, weren't able to have plans in place to make sure the Democrats won the most vital election since at least the Civil War. It should have been possible to run a broomstick and a skateboard and beat the worst ticket in the history of American presidential politics, but that's disregarding the reality of the MAGA cult. We knew the opponent. We knew Trump was right when he said he could do literally anything and he'd still get nearly half the country to vote for him. So when you know that, you have to develop the strategy to counter it. Nominating a black woman who was part of the unpopular incumbent administration and from California made no sense in that context, despite the fact Kamala--on her own--was a fabulous candidate and would have made a wonderful president.

Anyway, instead of getting it right and saving our democracy, we now have the greatest fight on our hands since the Civil War, with no end in sight. At least, that's how I see it.

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I truly believe that leaders at the top of everything bucolic_frolic Nov 2024 #1
The problem is that not nominating Harris would have completely split the party apart underpants Nov 2024 #2
This right here. Biden *should have* decided a year in advance and have had an open democratic primary dsp3000 Nov 2024 #4
In hindsight yes but wouldn't that have looked like admitting failure? underpants Nov 2024 #10
Not to me, because I never expected him to run for re-election to begin with In It to Win It Nov 2024 #51
And JFK should have listened and not gone to Dallas. GreenWave Nov 2024 #53
I am so fucking tired of this fucking bullshit FHRRK Nov 2024 #3
Exactly Freddie Nov 2024 #6
Well said! City Lights Nov 2024 #23
☝🏾☝🏾☝🏾THIS !!!☝🏾☝🏾☝🏾 MAGA Voted for OJ Simpson the White version and some are still demanding DNC change uponit7771 Nov 2024 #28
👍👍👍 Rebl2 Nov 2024 #60
I cannot disagree, hindsight in hand. Ferrets are Cool Nov 2024 #5
so they should have assumed voters hated women? bigtree Nov 2024 #7
In the future we should definitely assume Bettie Nov 2024 #18
Misogyny is absolutely strong Dem4life1234 Nov 2024 #30
No assumption is necessary. Judge voters by their actions. RockRaven Nov 2024 #32
Bull Shit, respectfully. gab13by13 Nov 2024 #8
BOOM! Well done and thank you. NT Mike 03 Nov 2024 #17
And we would be blaming Jews and Israel if we lost within Shapiro on the ticket JI7 Nov 2024 #9
This is spot on Johnny2X2X Nov 2024 #11
Please stop, even Mexico now has a woman president delisen Nov 2024 #25
macho Mexico has a female president/abortion rights now delisen Nov 2024 #38
VP Harris ran a near-flawless campaign, but had only three months. brush Nov 2024 #41
Here we go again. Blame Democrats for voter stupidity. n/t valleyrogue Nov 2024 #12
Once Biden announced, all energy moved towards Kamala, starting with Biden Renew Deal Nov 2024 #13
Can't blame the DNC Fiendish Thingy Nov 2024 #14
Agree..the DNC is NOT to blame here. The job of the DNC chair is to raise money..and boy did he! PortTack Nov 2024 #19
Don't forget Vice President Harris ran in 2020 as a presidential nominee so she knew how to campaign. jimfields33 Nov 2024 #34
The galring failure Zeitghost Nov 2024 #42
Yep, the 47% cap was repeated often flamingdem Nov 2024 #56
"It appears we could have won with any of those tickets." onenote Nov 2024 #15
People don't vote because someone lives in their state. Gore1FL Nov 2024 #16
It's not about where a candidate lives Zeitghost Nov 2024 #43
Could've, would've, should've. Elessar Zappa Nov 2024 #20
I don't know if Democrats will ever win the Presidency again, frankly, for obvious reasons. Wingus Dingus Nov 2024 #21
+1 John1956PA Nov 2024 #40
i agree, this country took a huge newdayneeded Nov 2024 #52
It's dispairing that fear of a unknown "minority female" is greater than fear of Trump/oligarchy. BadgerKid Nov 2024 #22
So when you say "the DNC", you mean Joe Biden and all Democratic primary voters muriel_volestrangler Nov 2024 #24
We never had a truly open primary Zeitghost Nov 2024 #45
Unrec. yardwork Nov 2024 #26
Just, ove snowybirdie Nov 2024 #27
It's not monday morning quarterbacking Zeitghost Nov 2024 #46
Yet another woodwork post. live love laugh Nov 2024 #29
A tiresome sexist analysis. If anything is to "blame" it would be... NNadir Nov 2024 #31
Biden's decision to run was a terrible decision. pat_k Nov 2024 #33
Dismissing the polls. Initech Nov 2024 #35
Biden didn't drop out 2 years ago so that doc03 Nov 2024 #36
"It's the media, st**pid" Scubamatt Nov 2024 #37
YES and the media's double standard where they required a higher bar for Kamala than trump, and even though she met JohnSJ Nov 2024 #57
It was Predatory Capitalism causing Worldwide Inflation. Emile Nov 2024 #39
I agree with much of that. WarGamer Nov 2024 #44
it started when Biden jumped in the race for 2024. lynintenn Nov 2024 #47
The religious right is dying out rapidly. lees1975 Nov 2024 #50
they are splintering into a more radical cult. lynintenn Nov 2024 #59
It's another less than 1% of the vote win in three states. lees1975 Nov 2024 #48
We don't get like Republicans to win Jason1961 Nov 2024 #49
To be clear, we didn't have a choice given the circumstances. In It to Win It Nov 2024 #54
Bullshit. They said the same thing that the country wasn't ready for an African American also, and in 1960 that the JohnSJ Nov 2024 #55
I Don't Disagree RobinA Nov 2024 #58
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