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WSHazel

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41. America's future could be a little rocky

Thu Nov 7, 2024, 10:49 AM

Nov 7

Trump is obviously a problem, but the other problem is that the deficit and the national debt are not going away. There is going to be a reckoning soon on this. I can predict what will happen, and other people a lot smarter than me can predict what will happen, and maybe one of us will be right in our prediction, but something is going to happen.

There is not some special rule somewhere that says Americans can live beyond our means indefinitely. There was a risk that this reckoning was going to happen under Harris, but Trump's radical trade policies significant increase the chance of some kind of event that would force America to at least balance its federal budget, which is going to be very disruptive to everyone's lives when it happens.

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What are other people's thoughts on leaving the US? [View all] RockCreek Nov 7 OP

Nope. MaryMagdaline Nov 7 #1

Why should I leave? DemonGoddess Nov 7 #2

Well said. Andy823 Nov 7 #74

I don't have the kind of money you need for that. BlueTsunami2018 Nov 7 #3

It will be the global reign of terror now. Clouds Passing Nov 7 #53

I said for awhile that democracy will only be harder & harder to hold onto due to climate chaos. CrispyQ Nov 7 #104

I've seen some posts from folks suggesting they might move to places that are hardly an improvement. onenote Nov 7 #4

New Zealand, British Columbia, Australia? RockCreek Nov 7 #10

How you gonna get permanent residency? TexLaProgressive Nov 7 #31

I've been working with an immigration attorney Sable302b Nov 7 #70

Same for my husband and I. mindfulNJ Nov 7 #90

I'm in a high demand, huge scarcity profession. That makes it a bit easier. RockCreek Nov 7 #101

I'm retired 10 years, my skillset is obsolete. TexLaProgressive Nov 7 #102

Yea DeepWinter Nov 7 #72

The US is much easier to immigrate to than other countries. NT Jk23 Nov 7 #76

I'm sticking around. Not crazy about sitting in some other country while mine goes to hell. dameatball Nov 7 #5

This Isn't Your Country Though SoCalDavidS Nov 7 #33

Of course it's my country. The political structure has changed but I am still a citizen. dameatball Nov 7 #38

I've wanted to say something about this...thanks for the qustion Prairie Gates Nov 7 #6

Yup RobinA Nov 7 #123

Excuse me, but i grew up in Canada.... usedtobedemgurl Nov 7 #133

Many people can't immigrate to Canada. carpetbagger Nov 7 #138

The person i replied to said usedtobedemgurl Nov 7 #140

Not going anywhere. MuseRider Nov 7 #7

Well said MakeBelieve Nov 7 #121

Unless you have a lot of money, are still young, or marry a foreigner... Layzeebeaver Nov 7 #8

Just not true. LakeArenal Nov 7 #158

ok there may be exceptions Layzeebeaver Nov 8 #164

If you're going GO‼️‼️ live love laugh Nov 7 #9

Meaning? Nt RockCreek Nov 7 #11

Post removed Post removed Nov 7 #14

Too old and too sick Ferrets are Cool Nov 7 #12

I'm not leaving OnionPatch Nov 7 #13

Thought of it. I'm too old now but I discussed it with my daughter and she is condiering it. brush Nov 7 #15

Arab nations are worse than the US. Elessar Zappa Nov 7 #22

Do tell. Most knowledgeable, western people know that. But my daughter's plan was as I wrote... brush Nov 7 #35

Ok, got it. Elessar Zappa Nov 7 #37

Re-read the reason of living in a Arab country for a few years. brush Nov 7 #110

Mexico is messed up LeftInTX Nov 7 #94

All that sounds like great reasons for an ex-pat American to be concerned (not). brush Nov 7 #105

The Supreme Court will always be the ruling party LeftInTX Nov 7 #113

My response is the same. Ex-pat Americans don't run Mexican affairs. brush Nov 7 #116

By leaving a country & joining another, you are part LeftInTX Nov 7 #118

And to vote there one needs to be a citizen. Mayve it's important to some... brush Nov 7 #122

this sentence bdamomma Nov 7 #96

Not is all paradise LeftInTX Nov 7 #115

I have a friend from high school mnhtnbb Nov 7 #128

Thanks. That's encouraging. brush Nov 7 #129

Thank you for all of your thoughts on this. RockCreek Nov 7 #16

That said, response posts such as #14 aboce RockCreek Nov 7 #17

Please report #14. RockCreek Nov 7 #18

Can't do it. ananda Nov 7 #19

Thank you for a civil and thoughtful response. N/t. RockCreek Nov 7 #24

Please tell me more about this series you mention misanthrope Nov 7 #107

LOL. I meant sequence or succession. ananda Nov 7 #131

I can't. Elessar Zappa Nov 7 #20

If I could I'd be packing for Canada right now orangecrush Nov 7 #21

I'm hoping that Canada would adopt the American west coast and make Baja Canada. Ping Tung Nov 7 #23

Now that's an idea. Pls include NV where I live. brush Nov 7 #42

And perhaps at least a part of New England? N/t RockCreek Nov 7 #44

I am not in the habit of running away sarisataka Nov 7 #25

Most of my ancestors left their respective countries of origin. Mariana Nov 7 #89

I'd like to give this a thousand recs!!! RockCreek Nov 7 #148

Doesn't look like they need hospice nurses in Toronto where I have a friend. So I'll stay here mucifer Nov 7 #26

Well, you know how there's no Planet B? o7___o7 Nov 7 #27

I so wish they would RockCreek Nov 7 #45

I'm a dual citizen with the UK VMA131Marine Nov 7 #28

Woukd pothet commonwealth counties RockCreek Nov 7 #46

I don't think other Commonwealth countries would be an option VMA131Marine Nov 7 #51

My husband also has dual citizenship Luciferous Nov 7 #75

I'm in New England: Connecticut VMA131Marine Nov 7 #77

My husband used to live on the Luciferous Nov 7 #80

No other country will have me Freddie Nov 7 #29

I'm not leaving. I'll stay and do what I can to fight back. emulatorloo Nov 7 #30

I'd love to move to New Zealand. GaYellowDawg Nov 7 #32

They didn't used to accept people wryter2000 Nov 7 #61

My understanding is that oligarchs have been quietly purchasing NZ property misanthrope Nov 7 #141

I live in a very blue state pfitz59 Nov 7 #34

Blue state options Artistree22 Nov 7 #86

Be Careful RobinA Nov 7 #127

Only 4 years??? dickthegrouch Nov 7 #151

I couldn't leave if I wanted to. GoCubsGo Nov 7 #36

Most people don't have the means to leave Johnny2X2X Nov 7 #39

No plans obnoxiousdrunk Nov 7 #40

America's future could be a little rocky WSHazel Nov 7 #41

Please consider making this its own post RockCreek Nov 7 #47

People are generally good. We have a lot more in cachukis Nov 7 #43

This is really beautiful. RockCreek Nov 7 #48

We travel the country, a lot. cachukis Nov 7 #49

I can't afford to. The US is still a great, great country. valleyrogue Nov 7 #50

No. This country has been through more turmoil than not. I am an American Polly Hennessey Nov 7 #52

99+% of people saying that now will still be here in 2028, thankfully. Silent Type Nov 7 #54

Waiting on my Italian citizenship. CanonRay Nov 7 #55

If any show trials start. Corgigal Nov 7 #56

Left Coast Eddie18 Nov 7 #57

I could get Polish citizenship Danmel Nov 7 #58

I can get Armenian citizenship LeftInTX Nov 7 #120

We are working on a plan Farmgirl1961 Nov 7 #59

My husband and I obtained permanent resident visas mnhtnbb Nov 7 #134

Thank you! RockCreek Nov 7 #146

So do you live there or did you obtain the the permanent resident visas more for an "escape" option? Farmgirl1961 Nov 7 #154

It was an escape option mnhtnbb Nov 7 #157

I'd have to leave Oakland wryter2000 Nov 7 #60

Yeah I'm stuck in San Antonio LeftInTX Nov 7 #98

I would love to but I'm stuck for the next year or two or eight ms liberty Nov 7 #62

And there are some wonderful places in NC RockCreek Nov 7 #65

And. Virginia Fox! Traildogbob Nov 7 #111

I'm thinking either Canada or England. bif Nov 7 #63

I am looking into it Deep State Witch Nov 7 #64

Thank you for the great summary RockCreek Nov 7 #66

I just read about it yesterday Deep State Witch Nov 7 #68

My first question is what about health care? milestogo Nov 7 #67

Get real, people. Sneederbunk Nov 7 #69

Canada is under threat by its own right wingers BluenFLA Nov 7 #71

Is there more autonomy between Provinces in Canada than between States in the US? N/t RockCreek Nov 7 #97

No, staying in the USA. NEOH Nov 7 #73

Under consideration in our household kwolf68 Nov 7 #78

And go...where? n/t CousinIT Nov 7 #79

I hope to travel out of the country more. Freethinker65 Nov 7 #81

Things are getting ugly elsewhere, too. Ocelot II Nov 7 #82

I'm headed for Costa Rica Bonx Nov 7 #83

Always fight the fascists! mymomwasright Nov 7 #84

thinking about it... da svenster Nov 7 #85

I have dual citizenship with Ireland, so I can easily move along with my family to any country in the EU, and it is Native Nov 7 #87

I think that's where I'm at.... Farmgirl1961 Nov 8 #162

And if Ireland doesn't float your boat, you've got the rest of the EU! Native Nov 8 #163

Yes - in that respect we are very fortunate n/t Farmgirl1961 Nov 8 #166

Nowhere to go. I'll die here one way or the other. IrishAfricanAmerican Nov 7 #88

Many countries have an emigration fast track via... keep_left Nov 7 #91

I'm old(ish). I'm staying, at least for now, but.... Happy Hoosier Nov 7 #92

Was Already Planning To Go Florida Dem Nov 7 #93

This is an excellent summary RockCreek Nov 7 #99

Great post, great points. Thanks! Native Nov 7 #126

An acquaintance moved to Portugal a few years ago and loves it...... groundloop Nov 7 #135

Nope, I'm staying put. Sure this country has its issues, but it's still the best country in the World with the most beaglelover Nov 7 #95

Not leaving LeftInTX Nov 7 #100

I would but I can't. I am disabled and no one will have me. misanthrope Nov 7 #103

Canada reportedly is trying to become more open to disabled immigrants. RockCreek Nov 7 #143

Thanks! misanthrope Nov 7 #144

We daydream about just leaving Texas - age, family, and health are our main obstacles. It sucks. walkingman Nov 7 #106

I don't exactly blame people who do leave ... Ursus Rex Nov 7 #108

You need A LOT of money to move iemanja Nov 7 #109

You don't need "a lot of money to immigrate" to Canada. Disaffected Nov 7 #159

I would never abandon my country to fascism Skittles Nov 7 #112

6 million jew may have wished they left, RockCreek Nov 7 #145

WHATEVER Skittles Nov 7 #150

Thank you for that... I sometimes wonder if I have my ancestors' blood in me... You see Farmgirl1961 Nov 7 #155

I grew up in a town with many holocaust survivirs RockCreek Nov 7 #161

A lot of my ancestors "cut and ran" from their countries of origin. Mariana Nov 7 #147

I'm not leaving. RubyRose Nov 7 #114

What are other people's thoughts on leaving the US? Jason1961 Nov 7 #117

I did it (work in Dubai) after 2002 and stayed for 12 years JCMach1 Nov 7 #119

My sister lives in Qatar LeftInTX Nov 7 #125

THAT thought never entered my mind. This is MY country my families country All Americans country bluestarone Nov 7 #124

It would have to get really bad here for me to consider leaving Redleg Nov 7 #130

Nope. Live in California, own home, too old to be wanted, but most important of all... Hekate Nov 7 #132

My husband and I went through mnhtnbb Nov 7 #136

You can leave for another country EnergizedLib Nov 7 #137

must be nice to be wealthy The Wandering Harper Nov 7 #139

We need to stay and fight to take back our country in 2026 and especially 2028. Not going anywhere! Jmb 4 Harris-Walz Nov 7 #142

I'd love to be sponsored. ecstatic Nov 7 #149

Hubby and I are considering it MustLoveBeagles Nov 7 #152

Laying groundwork for Japan ChicagoRonin Nov 7 #153

Have you ever lived abroad? Lived, not vacationed for a few weeks or even months. I have-- fierywoman Nov 7 #156

I've lived in several other countries for significant amounts of time RockCreek Nov 7 #160

I was born in Germany lived there for my first 3 years gopiscrap Nov 9 #167

Can't afford it Tribetime Nov 8 #165