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109. Your recollection is off.

Fri Nov 8, 2024, 12:58 AM

Nov 8

Biden got 81,283,501 votes. At present, Harris has 69 million votes now, but there are millions of votes yet to be counted, particularly in California where it is estimated that at least 6 million votes haven't been tabulated. The final numbers will put Harris behind Biden's numbers, but by a smaller margin than we're seeing now.

And there is nothing inherently suspicious about the number of votes that a party's candidate gets varying from election to election. Even Obama saw his popular vote number decline by between 3 and 4 million in 2012 compared to 2008. And Hillary's popular vote total was similarly smaller than Obama's 2008 number essentially the same as Obama's 2012 number despite there being millions more votes cast overall in 2016 than in either 2008 or 2012.

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I think he stole it. [View all] Dyedinthewoolliberal Nov 7 OP

I agree 1000% Meadowoak Nov 7 #1

Vice President Harris disagrees. If she even hinted this, I'd be on board with this. jimfields33 Nov 7 #28

Three things make me suspicious and they all came out of the mouths of Trump or his MAGA supporters BEFORE Nov. 5 Jit423 Nov 7 #79

That whole, We have a secret, thing really freaked me out wintemark Nov 8 #84

Me too. calimary Nov 8 #86

yes. the whole media is saying dem johnnyfins Nov 8 #207

Yes, support for Dem ticket could be low ... krkaufman Nov 8 #236

And Russian interference getting voting sites shut down. ananda Nov 8 #243

...hmmm...She's not gonna say anything Blue_Roses Nov 8 #82

He's already unhinged... atreides1 Nov 8 #206

She is the last person who could say something - TBF Nov 8 #91

You're that easy? dpibel Nov 8 #105

I'm with her...still... COL Mustard Nov 8 #174

If investigators are working she needs to stay quiet cpamomfromtexas Nov 8 #198

I agree also. peachpit24 Nov 7 #33

Will be??????????? AZ8theist Nov 7 #36

Yeah he bdamomma Nov 8 #143

Trump will be carried out of the White House and replaced with JD Vance h2ebits Nov 8 #190

Why didn't Democrats protect the votes, why didn't they set up some infrastructure to ensure that republicans Escurumbele Nov 7 #50

"So ... it is Democrats fault for not protecting it" TBF Nov 8 #85

Probably because we don't have many TRULY devious thinkers on our side. calimary Nov 8 #119

"...pushing back on federal authorities' decades-long practice of watching for violations of federal voting laws." Babajida Nov 8 #123

It does not matter who the votes are for Lokee11 Nov 8 #239

Count Me In Mr.Bee Nov 8 #80

Yep. I agree 10,000 percent Charging Triceratops Nov 8 #202

Explain how there was so much support for johnnyfins Nov 8 #234

I believe the fix was in from the start vankuria Nov 8 #222

And they did it DiverDave Nov 8 #235

I think so too Dem4life1234 Nov 7 #2

It was his way of saying, orange jar Nov 7 #7

IIRC, he used the exact word "fixed." Sogo Nov 7 #11

Or you could get the evidence quoted correctly. Igel Nov 7 #18

He also said he would be a dictator on day 1. Bluethroughu Nov 7 #38

No bdamomma Nov 8 #144

Yes, because we know Trump has whathehell Nov 8 #156

Lie, cheat and steal CountAllVotes Nov 7 #3

I Am Beginning To Tend To Agree SoCalDavidS Nov 7 #4

I agree re: 2004 Sparkly Nov 7 #10

I agree BluenFLA Nov 7 #5

Mail-in voters who checked (if they tell the truth) on X: Justice matters. Nov 7 #51

Just a suggestion bdamomma Nov 8 #148

Maybe fewer people voted? Let the States show their numbers. oldsoftie Nov 8 #175

What if the numbers were tampered with without anyone being able to notice? Justice matters. Nov 8 #178

Then we can no longer say 2020 wasnt rigged in the same manner oldsoftie Nov 8 #197

I Expect AG Garland Will Start Investigating Sometime Next February nt SoCalDavidS Nov 7 #6

Oh no, it will be second Tuesday of next week. onecaliberal Nov 7 #24

I believe so too canetoad Nov 7 #8

No need to bribe sycophants. intheflow Nov 8 #176

I hear Sidney Powell is available to investigate! tritsofme Nov 7 #9

Its always very possible he stole it. hadEnuf Nov 7 #12

Voter registrations weren't up just for Democrats. Look at Florida. onenote Nov 7 #25

You make a good point about the desire for change True Dough Nov 8 #127

They'll be screened for mass deportation soon enuf! MrWowWow Nov 8 #133

Some of my friends were angry with Biden for running & not stepping aside. CrispyQ Nov 8 #154

Well, they were wrong. And now we live with it Joinfortmill Nov 8 #215

I totally agree with you. fierywoman Nov 7 #13

Not going down that road Baggies Nov 7 #14

It was misogyny & racism. CrispyQ Nov 8 #152

You nailed it perfectly. Doodley Nov 8 #187

Not even close Baggies Nov 8 #196

Well, here's a thread with an article offering a different POV. CrispyQ Nov 8 #208

Russia. Liberal In Texas Nov 7 #15

Wasn't "no proof, just speculation" a good description of the Trumpers election denial? onenote Nov 7 #30

Agree oldtime dfl_er Nov 7 #40

I've seen strange things recently that make me wonder lostnfound Nov 7 #16

Fail kwolf68 Nov 7 #17

R-I-I-I-G-H-T Disaffected Nov 7 #19

You don't have to agree Dyedinthewoolliberal Nov 7 #26

And you have "eliminated all which is possible"? Disaffected Nov 7 #46

Of course not. Dyedinthewoolliberal Nov 8 #183

It's going to be rough alright. Disaffected Nov 8 #191

Exit polls are a rough check on the actual results. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 7 #53

An 18 yo new inner city latina voted for Trump LeftInTX Nov 7 #61

Musk was offering $250-500 a day. DiamondShark Nov 8 #131

Ah, Sherlock. summer_in_TX Nov 7 #64

We saw an incredible play in the last several months at our local Abolishinist Nov 7 #78

Have you gotten to see the two recent Netflix movies about Sherlock's younger sister, Enola Holmes? summer_in_TX Nov 8 #93

The guy who wrote that line also believed in goblins and fairies. EdmondDantes_ Nov 8 #102

Ok Dyedinthewoolliberal Nov 8 #188

stop trying to shame people oldtime dfl_er Nov 7 #41

I'm not trying to shame anyone. Disaffected Nov 7 #48

just curious but Skittles Nov 8 #103

Not really, Disaffected Nov 8 #108

LOL Skittles Nov 8 #110

Another non sequitur eh? Disaffected Nov 8 #112

LOL Skittles Nov 8 #117

"DONE HERE" Disaffected Nov 8 #163

not true oldtime dfl_er Nov 8 #115

Fine DET Nov 8 #124

No objection at all. Disaffected Nov 8 #164

extraordinary claims requiring extraordinary evidence stopdiggin Nov 7 #57

It's fine to shame people that deserve shame Jk23 Nov 8 #177

so repukes do it and people vote for them Skittles Nov 8 #99

I'm getting you on this JustAnotherGen Nov 8 #180

Of course he (they) did. Faux pas Nov 7 #20

I'm curious about the quiet part..lack of posters, flags and other signs for TSF.. Deuxcents Nov 7 #21

It all showed up at the last minute here. LeftInTX Nov 7 #62

Maybe to celebrate but thru the 107 days with Kamala campaigning, there was little enthusiasm Deuxcents Nov 7 #76

It was probably that way on purpose LeftInTX Nov 8 #97

So voters bdamomma Nov 8 #146

Campaign workers. They were paid to leave LeftInTX Nov 8 #153

I just got back from an hourlong drive through upstate NY to my doc. Hellbound Hellhound Nov 8 #192

Something fishy going on sure as shit CanonRay Nov 7 #22

I totally agree. Island Blue Nov 7 #23

Does NC use ES&S Voting Machines ? delisen Nov 7 #66

I believe throughout the state Island Blue Nov 8 #142

tRump cheats at EVERYTHING. Blue Owl Nov 7 #27

And, put Billionaires, musk, & Vlad in the mx. Cha Nov 7 #43

I hate venturing into "CT" territory too -- but with tRump, how can ANYONE trust him? Blue Owl Nov 7 #69

Exactly and I ain't no "fool".. not about this Cha Nov 7 #74

THIS malaise Nov 8 #129

I am sure there was quite a bit of shenanigans in the swing states. valleyrogue Nov 7 #29

The bomb threats in black polling districts and originating from Russian servers for starters Cetacea Nov 8 #139

Two can keep a secret orangecrush Nov 7 #31

The only people who disagree with you SCantiGOP Nov 7 #32

+1. And every investigative reporter/writer wannabe. Obviously has been only a few days, but I hope this is Silent Type Nov 7 #42

+1. same here. stopdiggin Nov 7 #47

They are obviously all in on it on as well inwiththenew Nov 8 #89

The same people who LOST the election? Xoan Nov 8 #182

I never said DU knows something they dont. Dyedinthewoolliberal Nov 8 #193

the mass sms texts to black voters --- it's making me think there's more going on ecstatic Nov 7 #34

That's one way obnoxiousdrunk Nov 7 #35

baloney elleng Nov 7 #37

Yeah I keep thinking about that too Cha Nov 7 #39

My answer will remain the same stopdiggin Nov 7 #44

we aren't going to find any evidence, unless we look for it. Meadowoak Nov 7 #49

this has nothing to do with LOOKING stopdiggin Nov 7 #56

Oh please, I'm offering an opinion only. Dyedinthewoolliberal Nov 8 #230

he has always cheated oldtime dfl_er Nov 7 #45

This message was self-deleted by its author tenderfoot Nov 7 #52

Dominion sued Fox for defamation, and won $780M SledDriver Nov 7 #54

Dominion is not the problem rainy Nov 8 #134

After all the enthusiasm, I do find the huge drop off in Democratic votes suspicious. nt Susan Calvin Nov 7 #55

Okay, this is what bothers me. hamsterjill Nov 7 #58

that he won the popular vote smells the worst. mopinko Nov 8 #150

Has he actually won the popular vote? hamsterjill Nov 8 #166

no, he hasnt, and it may yet flip. mopinko Nov 8 #168

No. onecaliberal Nov 8 #201

Speculating wanie Nov 7 #59

So why didn't he in 2020? Polybius Nov 7 #60

He did try Blue Full Moon Nov 8 #141

I agree that SOMETHING was going on behind the scenes ailsagirl Nov 7 #63

I wondered about that too. Joinfortmill Nov 8 #216

Simply the absolute fact that they purged legal voters from the roles is cheating. Clouds Passing Nov 7 #65

Yes. Trump had 60 cases. He lost them all. Lawyers were disbarred. onenote Nov 7 #71

I didn't say Ds should do it. I just said Dump was allowed to. Clouds Passing Nov 7 #73

His suits involved burned ballot boxes, registration purges and threats of violence at polling places? tenderfoot Nov 8 #95

And how will those lawsuits change the results of the election onenote Nov 8 #100

We can say whatever we want here tenderfoot Nov 8 #104

I know people can say what they want. But I don't think it does DU much good to turn into a forum for election denial. onenote Nov 8 #106

DUers have a variety of opinions right or wrong tenderfoot Nov 8 #107

Exactly. And if I think someone's opinion is wrong, I state my opinion. onenote Nov 8 #113

Link to evidence that millions of "legal" voters were purged? onenote Nov 7 #75

... Clouds Passing Nov 8 #81

Can you point me to where any of those sources said the voters removed from the rolls were all "legal" voters onenote Nov 8 #101

I'd like to think that, but he improved in 90% of counties nation wide. D23MIURG23 Nov 7 #67

President Biden disagrees. TomSlick Nov 7 #68

He didn't steal it any more than Joe did in 2020. Harris lost. Trump won. GoYouPackersGo Nov 7 #70

Stole it? In every swing state? Darnell1972 Nov 7 #72

personal alarms going off here . AllaN01Bear Nov 7 #77

Greg Palast predicted Trump would steal it- again bikes and bunnies Nov 8 #83

The republicans alway tell you what they are going to do Blue Full Moon Nov 8 #87

Greg Palast weighs in plus Jarqui Nov 8 #88

I feel sure there was a degree of cheating by Trump and his supporters. summer_in_TX Nov 8 #90

"We don't need the votes" moondust Nov 8 #92

Strange theplayer Nov 8 #94

Your recollection is off. onenote Nov 8 #109

I think so too - there were the comments about secrets and already having the votes. TBF Nov 8 #96

So do I! Six117 Nov 8 #98

Remember Linda ladeewolf Nov 8 #111

And we had observers in the polling places. onenote Nov 8 #114

It is possible that some Linda ladeewolf Nov 8 #118

Votes are placed on a USB drive. Two witnesses LeftInTX Nov 8 #120

Are these USB drives checked Linda ladeewolf Nov 8 #138

Let me just say, Abolishinist Nov 8 #116

Not to stir the pot GigiLeigh Nov 8 #121

was this bdamomma Nov 8 #147

This crossed my mind but.. Ontheboundry Nov 8 #122

Yeah, sadly "It's the misogyny, stupid" Babajida Nov 8 #125

Addlepated? True Dough Nov 8 #128

I mean, he essentially did, but not in the way a lot of people are thinking. Karasu Nov 8 #126

They Gerrymandered a state wide election? Ontheboundry Nov 8 #132

No, I was just citing that... Karasu Nov 8 #136

100+ recs Sympthsical Nov 8 #130

You know, I've been here since the illegal invasion of Iraq Dyedinthewoolliberal Nov 8 #231

I suppose it's easier to feel this way Dorian Gray Nov 8 #135

I totally agree. I was talking to somebody about this the other day, and she insisted, No, no, raccoon Nov 8 #137

Skewed to favor republicans Blue Full Moon Nov 8 #140

Can't help but look at the results hannah Nov 8 #145

I'm thinkling Mr.Bee Nov 8 #149

It Is Pointless To Discuss SoCalDavidS Nov 8 #151

I hope we still feel that way Mr.Bee Nov 8 #157

It Won't Matter SoCalDavidS Nov 8 #160

No some are STILL fighting. Senator Bob Casey in PA for one. Tommymac Nov 8 #189

Russian hackers Wicked Blue Nov 8 #155

The software in the tabulators was changed under the noses of states. kimbutgar Nov 8 #158

I agree Mr.Bee Nov 8 #169

I think he did too. travelingthrulife Nov 8 #159

I can't put my finger on it but the results don't pass my smell test. Botany Nov 8 #161

It's amazing how many polls were wrong Beck23 Nov 8 #162

The GOP can't win without cheating suegeo Nov 8 #165

exactly Kali999 Nov 8 #172

I keep saying this and I will repeat it. Initech Nov 8 #167

Here's some food for thought ScratchCat Nov 8 #170

So, thousands are keeping this quiet? SCantiGOP Nov 8 #184

big crowds and low turnout southmost Nov 8 #171

My God we've sunk to THIS now?? "I have no proof" oldsoftie Nov 8 #173

At least obnoxiousdrunk Nov 8 #179

We've not sunk anywhere; Dyedinthewoolliberal Nov 8 #186

You are correct that it sounds like sour grapes Jose Garcia Nov 8 #181

I thought that we were the ones who did not engage is conspiracy theories. totodeinhere Nov 8 #185

We already know Trump cheats. He tried to cheat last election. We already know Russia would cheat. Doodley Nov 8 #194

Why aren't President Biden or Vice President Harris all over this? totodeinhere Nov 8 #203

It's not a crazy conspiracy theory. Dyedinthewoolliberal Nov 8 #229

As I was saying......... Dyedinthewoolliberal Nov 8 #228

Let's not go there. It's disrespectful to the thousands and thousands of election officials and volunteers. nt LAS14 Nov 8 #195

Me too babsbunny Nov 8 #199

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 8 #200

I can't believe our Federal Government Mr.Bee Nov 8 #204

Well, there's this thing called "evidence". oldsoftie Nov 8 #213

If there is something there it's not going to walk up and tap us on the shoulder. hadEnuf Nov 18 #248

Nope, we lost support in deep blue states and red states that they had no reason to touch. nt Quixote1818 Nov 8 #205

Of course he did Cirsium Nov 8 #209

I just checked and my vote wasn't recorded yet in person Tribetime Nov 8 #210

Kicking visibility bdamomma Nov 8 #211

There has to be evidence oldmanlynn Nov 8 #212

Excellent, succinct, true! nt LAS14 Nov 8 #233

Something does seem off, no one was at his rallies, but then Joinfortmill Nov 8 #214

And the ones who were there were less than enthusiastic... ananda Nov 8 #244

Yup, there's more to learn. Joinfortmill Nov 8 #245

I do too. ElementaryPenguin Nov 8 #217

I couldn't agree more FoxNewsSucks Nov 8 #218

gawd Skittles Nov 8 #219

It's in his profile, for sure. More than enough motive, and all the means in the world. BurnDoubt Nov 8 #220

Concur stillspkg Nov 8 #221

You And Me Too! Aviation91 Nov 8 #223

The post begins: SCantiGOP Nov 8 #238

I agree 4catsmom Nov 8 #224

Agree 4catsmom Nov 8 #225

The bomb threats. luvallpeeps Nov 8 #226

With 4 years of help from Putin, Musk and a host of other bad actors dlk Nov 8 #227

He's been working with Russia forever. returnee Nov 8 #232

I belonged to an elections integrity group annielion Nov 8 #237

Thank You Mr.Bee Nov 8 #241

I think so too. dreamland Nov 8 #240

I guess the DNC is in on it too? Fish700 Nov 8 #242

Greg Palast Mr.Bee Nov 9 #246

US Intel Says Insider Threats Are 'Likely' During the Election Six117 Nov 10 #247