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Initech

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1. I have literally been saying this for 12 fucking years now!

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Fri Nov 8, 2024, 01:01 PM

Nov 8

The propaganda is the problem. It's always been the problem. And why we cannot have nice things in this country.

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Tomasky: Why Does No One Understand the Real Reason Trump Won? [View all] Nevilledog Nov 8 OP

I have literally been saying this for 12 fucking years now! Initech Nov 8 #1

Me too, but up until Tuesday, I still believed we could overcome it William Seger Nov 8 #10

Nope. It's too strong. Initech Nov 8 #20

Well, expecting it would collapse under its own dishonesty sure didn't work William Seger Nov 8 #26

I thought the bubble would be bursting with this election, but it didn't. Initech Nov 8 #48

Oh yes, bdamomma Nov 9 #169

Nope. It's time to burst that bubble by force if necessary. Initech Nov 8 #133

I don't know why/how Harris lost Shoonra Nov 8 #117

RACISM AND SEXISM PUT THE CONVICTED FELON BACK IN OFFICE... Jon Waters Nov 8 #132

The election was neither clean nor honest dickthegrouch Nov 8 #140

Because she's a black woman. Meadowoak Nov 9 #160

Trump didn't win. The Democrats lost OrangeJoe Nov 8 #136

Willful ignorance combined with pervasive propaganda. CaptainTruth Nov 8 #21

And they have a decades long lead in building their echo chamber, Tadpole Raisin Nov 8 #28

What the average Fox News viewer believes: Different Drummer Nov 8 #58

lol, Bullwinkle would be a far better president along with his friend Rocky. Tadpole Raisin Nov 8 #63

It's so beyond Fox at this point. Hassin Bin Sober Nov 8 #64

That, and they haven't "suffered" enough yet to just begin to pay attention. Justice matters. Nov 8 #91

There is no "doubt" about it. AZ8theist Nov 9 #156

Dig deeper... Scully Nov 8 #69

Maybe ... but it could just be a symbiotic relationship. I'm KPN Nov 8 #113

This whole thing is beign run by Putin MadameButterfly Nov 9 #150

As some may have noticed... pat_k Nov 8 #76

Exactly what happened in my family. marybourg Nov 8 #121

It happened so fast. pat_k Nov 8 #129

Longer than that! luvallpeeps Nov 8 #139

Way back to the Clinton years. Autumn Nov 9 #171

I've been saying this since 1984. FDRFTW Nov 9 #152

Me too. Here's a genius solution to the silos: The Tangle newsletter. This American Life had a great segment on Sat mahina Nov 9 #154

Hillary said it first, a vast rw conspiracy.... Pepsidog Nov 9 #175

Some of the propaganda supplied by Russia and China. Irish_Dem Nov 8 #2

I just read the same article on the New Republic site jayschool2013 Nov 8 #3

I think that's definitely A real reason, not THE real reason -- no such thing William Seger Nov 8 #22

Fox News pushed the immigrant crisis story 24/7 Yavin4 Nov 8 #4

We lost this in 1988 when Reagan eliminated The Fairness Doctrine. nt Tommymac Nov 8 #5

That's not really true moose65 Nov 8 #35

Yes. It's this. yardwork Nov 8 #6

On Black men, I have to push back. Black voters voted for trump the same as in 2020, 12 percent. brush Nov 8 #46

You're right. yardwork Nov 8 #86

Looking at an NBC exit poll Rstrstx Nov 8 #90

Ahhhh...those numbers don't add up. See post 65. brush Nov 8 #110

The exit poll is here Rstrstx Nov 8 #111

See post 65 for what WAPO found. brush Nov 8 #112

Do you mean post 86? nmmi Nov 9 #155

Ah, but white women voted for and won body autonomy in several states and then Jit423 Nov 8 #143

Nonvoters are deadly to us DFW Nov 9 #157

And social media. Disaffected Nov 8 #7

Yep, the column in the OP misanthrope Nov 8 #49

Honestly, I think if I could pinpoint American society's downfall in one single event... Initech Nov 8 #51

A lot of folks here on DU don't know what Gamergate is, or how it came about FakeNoose Nov 8 #73

All the same players, all the same methods AZSkiffyGeek Nov 8 #79

It's time for some edumacation! Initech Nov 8 #89

Rush Limbaugh destroyed my workplace. The men became domineering and loved humiliating female coworkers. SharonAnn Nov 8 #101

How about the fact that Americans are mean and spiteful when given the chance to be world wide wally Nov 8 #8

How 'bout the fact of that being way too broad a brush? whathehell Nov 8 #34

I wholeheartedly agree. Srkdqltr Nov 8 #47

The sane-washing of an insane criminal Blue Owl Nov 8 #9

He's everything they wish they were. Ligyron Nov 8 #144

Expecting markodochartaigh Nov 8 #11

Evidently there's far more chaff than wheat in those depleted fields BattleRow Nov 8 #16

Right on target. kentuck Nov 8 #12

So true moose65 Nov 8 #36

One of the reasons I am so pessimistic about American voters/society is that RockRaven Nov 8 #13

Media doesn't have the list of ingredients on the label as most "consumables" are required to. BattleRow Nov 8 #19

Hold on there misanthrope Nov 8 #50

Why bother when cats and dogs will be the consumables BattleRow Nov 8 #118

Biden beat trump in 2020 with the same environment/political facts mentioned... brush Nov 8 #14

I want to know what that "little secret" was - AND IS. calimary Nov 8 #42

Because my friend, E. Normus Nov 8 #61

As much as I don't want to hear this it's true. mountain grammy Nov 8 #104

THIS SunSeeker Nov 8 #105

Well, the "gotta be a man" thing probably does explain it. calimary Nov 8 #123

With some of those women DemonGoddess Nov 8 #130

this bcbink Nov 8 #125

That I don't believe. Hillary was ahead in the polls until that damn Comey sent his letter to Congress. brush Nov 9 #149

"Harris' pimps" was said at the Madison Square Garden rally AdamGG Nov 9 #148

The right wing media empire is too big and too dangerous Mr. Sparkle Nov 8 #15

Hate radio h2ebits Nov 8 #54

Nope, news has been replaced by opinion. Initech Nov 8 #142

Any suggestions how to overcome the messaging of the next four years? ancianita Nov 8 #17

Wealthy Dems need to start creating and/or buying media outlets and grow them fast! Clouds Passing Nov 8 #23

Hopeful that you're right and that they could overcome. But why should they invest in counter messaging? ancianita Nov 8 #38

Thank you for your hope. I have been losing mine. Clouds Passing Nov 8 #135

I hear you. But the oligarchy shit pit is where we are. We have to do something, even depend on our military if need be. ancianita Nov 8 #138

Yes! hadEnuf Nov 8 #62

About 5% of the adult population watches Fox News Kaleva Nov 8 #18

The whole political landscape has changed since Fox news. hadEnuf Nov 8 #59

If one looks at the numbers given by the ratings Kaleva Nov 8 #115

Fox News, Newsmax, OANN, Sinclair's radio, TV, and newspapers, iHeart, Bot (Xtian radio), X, Rogan, etc Mersky Nov 8 #65

So what is the percentage that watch or listen to all the sources listed? Kaleva Nov 8 #114

MAGATS live in a complete media ecosystem spinning a fantasy land narrative in which dictators are good guys. FDRFTW Nov 9 #153

And I wonder about those who rely on sources like Ok occupy Democrats.. Kaleva Nov 9 #158

While this was a massive "in-kind" contribution... orwell Nov 8 #24

" The message wouldn't work if people were happy with their lives. THEY ARE NOT! " HUAJIAO Nov 8 #41

Corporate media has now failed to adequately cover Trump for three straight presidential campaigns. sop Nov 8 #25

Basically cilla4progress Nov 8 #27

The media that we watch and listen to.... kentuck Nov 8 #29

I totally agree. I watched my parents succumb to Fox News brainwashing. They were decent, progressive, intelligent Martin68 Nov 8 #30

Now you've given me another factor to think about. TBF Nov 8 #33

My parents grew up during the Depression and came of age during WWII. They were liberals while I was growing up, but Martin68 Nov 8 #107

I've thought on this since I read Earl's OP yesterday - I think it goes a little deeper TBF Nov 8 #31

i know some dislike msg that are just yup so let me say HELL TO THE FUCKING YES AmandaRuth Nov 8 #32

NBC, CBS. and ABC did it too don't let them off... Ysabel Nov 8 #37

Yup! Beat me to it. GoCubsGo Nov 8 #67

We need our own media ecosystem, and we need to *support* it. keep_left Nov 8 #39

Start by not losing what we already have DeeNice Nov 8 #88

I agree completely. And nearly all of the progressive radio stations... keep_left Nov 8 #103

100%! Grumpy Old Guy Nov 8 #40

I couldn't disagree more. snot Nov 8 #43

Dr. Maslow, I presume? GJGCA Nov 8 #78

+1 leftstreet Nov 8 #81

Its also social media outlets that post never ending personal smears and falsehoods indigovalley Nov 8 #44

plenty of free propaganda southmost Nov 8 #45

Once they killed liberal talk radio...nuf said MiHale Nov 8 #52

Nope. Consumers of such propaganda were lacking harumph Nov 8 #53

Blaming the voters Cirsium Nov 8 #71

No it's not. It's the truth. nt. druidity33 Nov 8 #134

Now the question is what do they really want to gain from this? Klarkashton Nov 8 #55

Lack of accountability Envirogal Nov 8 #106

100% Joe Cool Nov 8 #56

It's still a fact that a majority of voters were comfortable with his outrageous behavior PlanetBev Nov 8 #57

Rich liberals need DownriverDem Nov 8 #60

Exactly. highplainsdem Nov 8 #66

Propaganda works and they have an enormous disinformation network. Basso8vb Nov 8 #68

We actually have lousy media companies all owned by billionares... Historic NY Nov 8 #70

The biggest liar Andy823 Nov 8 #72

knr n/t markie Nov 8 #74

HUGE REC. progressoid Nov 8 #75

The next question after this is why do people prefer the propaganda? patphil Nov 8 #77

Exactly. No matter what we do if those right wing outlets are not destroyed oldmanlynn Nov 8 #80

He is not wrong. valleyrogue Nov 8 #82

Worse yet: Hieronymus Phact Nov 8 #83

It's more media than right wing media. Trust_Reality Nov 8 #84

"Why didn't a majority of voters see these things?" LudwigPastorius Nov 8 #85

Thank you .. exactly what I've been saying. ificandream Nov 8 #87

The roots of hate and bigotry run deep. BarbD Nov 8 #92

I think most people don't see any of media sources. onenote Nov 8 #93

They get some stuff by osmosis though on social media. Elessar Zappa Nov 9 #172

Oh, and by the way, water is wet. ECL213 Nov 8 #94

My daughter's mother in law watches end-time LeftInTX Nov 8 #95

Why does no one understand that there's more than one reason? Lulu KC Nov 8 #96

Thank you -- 100% agree. Pinback Nov 8 #108

Exactly. TwilightZone Nov 9 #164

Trumps oral mic story should have been the headlines for days. joshcryer Nov 8 #97

Yep. That was the invisible ReRe Nov 8 #98

"Mainstream" corporate media deserves a good part of the blame, sane washing, non endorsements of Harris, diane in sf Nov 8 #99

He's partly right; it's true that very little penetrates the right-wing media silo - BUT Ocelot II Nov 8 #100

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 8 #102

And the MSM meekly responded if at all. In fact, KPN Nov 8 #109

Propaganda hurts not only by lying and deceit but also Stargleamer Nov 8 #116

They DO know...They don't care. Cretins are just as sick as he is. /nt aka-chmeee Nov 8 #119

They heard exactly what they * wanted * to hear Six117 Nov 8 #120

We have to find a way to counter this hateful mess. mzmolly Nov 8 #122

I still say vote tampering 4catsmom Nov 8 #124

Dems should get off Fox News and Twitter PedroXimenez Nov 8 #126

"The answer is the right-wing media." 👈🏾👈🏾👈🏾 uponit7771 Nov 8 #127

"do something about it" - gee, thanks, Tomasky, that's a great help. muriel_volestrangler Nov 8 #128

THIS Martin Eden Nov 8 #131

They need to destroy the country for people to see it. Turbineguy Nov 8 #137

The media went easy on him and was tough on her liberal N proud Nov 8 #141

Really? MSNBC Was Pretty Harsh, Are They Not Media? TomCADem Nov 9 #146

People see what they want to see. TwilightZone Nov 9 #166

Exactly. These broad brush attacks that treat News Max... TomCADem Nov 9 #178

That's a major part of it angryxyouth Nov 9 #145

Why do they want us all at the mercy of a malignant narcissist? SleeplessinSoCal Nov 9 #147

the billionaires control the message. It's Putin's press now. FDRFTW Nov 9 #151

As a retired educator, it pains me to say this ... Straw Man Nov 9 #159

As for the worst things he's said, I was told "Oh he doesnt really MEAN it" oldsoftie Nov 9 #161

Right wing media + racism, mysoginy, failed or programmed education, lack of critical thinking, failure to grow the f up Attilatheblond Nov 9 #162

EXACTLY! Thom Hartman echoed this truth last week. It's a trillion-dollar marketing campaign to destroy democracy LaMouffette Nov 9 #163

Right wing media vilified liberals and Democrats to the extent that onlyadream Nov 9 #165

Abortion Was A Losing Issue For Harris DallasNE Nov 9 #167

I wholeheartedly agree MaineBlueBear Nov 9 #168

Why do people choose these? residentcynic Nov 9 #170

Nope. Littlered Nov 9 #173

"slanted and distorted information"... kentuck Nov 9 #174

KnRnBk Hekate Nov 9 #176

RIGHT WING SPANISH LANGUAGE RADIO MomInTheCrowd Nov 9 #177