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35. This guy is so wise and such an excellent writer.
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 03:57 PM
Nov 8

I really like this essay. Thanks for posting it. And I have always liked and admired Kareem, all the way back to his days when as “Lew Alcindor” he was a standout for John Wooden’s UCLA Bruins.

Here, by the way, is the link for those who would like to see it at the source:
https://kareem.substack.com/p/trump-is-president-and-other-stories

What an excellent Substack! I subscribed instantly.

Many of the comments in this thread have focused exclusively on this paragraph and found it unsatisfying or naive:

How do we live with our friends, families, and neighbors who voted for a rapist, racist, and fraudster? We give them grace. We assume that, though their minds were clouded by their lack of critical thinking, in their hearts they still want a compassionate America that embraces all of its people and protects their rights. They made a mistake, like a child sticking its finger in an electrical socket. Let it go as that and be the person that maybe influences them to think better next time.

I think Kareem’s take is exactly correct. Why waste time lecturing (or hating) the brainwashed? We have more important work to do (emphasis mine):
Take a day or week to mourn, those of you who still believe in our Constitution and the country we could be. Then roll up your sleeves and prepare for four years of battle to save our country from becoming the tyrannic state that Trump and his supporters envision. They expect us to be humbled and docile. We won’t be. We are better than this election. Let’s prove it.

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Kareem Abdul Jabbar's comment [View all] trickyrick3 Nov 8 OP
He is wrong. We cannot assume our fellow Americans want a compassionate, fair America. Irish_Dem Nov 8 #1
We now live in an America where over half think they deserve rights that the other half should not have. Lonestarblue Nov 8 #6
We live in a country where it is a crime to save a woman's life. Irish_Dem Nov 8 #16
The leopards are going to get fat eating their faces... StarryNite Nov 8 #9
The pancake makeup is carcinogenic. rubbersole Nov 8 #19
I think it's pretty clear that is the last thing they want. ECL213 Nov 8 #28
Kareem isn't always right misanthrope Nov 9 #56
Isn't that what the founding fathers preached? "When in the course of human events... brush Nov 8 #52
Correct. This is not new. Bluetus Nov 9 #62
Good post. Welcome to DU. Irish_Dem Nov 9 #63
Very well put. underpants Nov 8 #2
Recommended. H2O Man Nov 8 #3
Kareem makes a lot of sense. jalan48 Nov 8 #4
He's a better person than I am. yardwork Nov 8 #5
One more member of The Resistance. Jeebo Nov 8 #7
I remember that very well (about Mikey calling it "resistance radio") choie Nov 8 #38
"The next four years will be a shit show" Ray Bruns Nov 8 #8
"... dance around a pagan fire like the deranged children in Lord of the Flies." William Seger Nov 8 #10
I will try to show them grace, La Coliniere Nov 8 #11
I'll be tolerant of them.....that's it. Grace??? They're not worthy of grace. a kennedy Nov 8 #34
Tolerant my ass. I'm staying as far away from them as I can. calimary Nov 9 #60
KnR Hekate Nov 8 #12
that is good, barbtries Nov 8 #13
He has more faith in our decency than I do 0rganism Nov 8 #14
Well said, but I don't really think we *are* better than this relayerbob Nov 8 #15
"We assume that,...they...want a compassionate America that embraces all of its people and protects their rights." LudwigPastorius Nov 8 #17
Sorry, Kareem, I cannot do it. lastlib Nov 8 #18
It's not pagan. love_katz Nov 8 #20
Ahmen! Felicita Nov 8 #22
Yes! THIS.☝️ Duppers Nov 8 #40
I have no more Grace to give. SaveOurDemocracy Nov 8 #21
They own the media DownriverDem Nov 8 #23
My heart is much darker than this, but I see how his message puts a nice face on it. ffr Nov 8 #24
Kareem was restrained by his standing in oasis Nov 8 #33
There will be nothing left bucolic_frolic Nov 8 #25
Thanks. But I will form... littlemissmartypants Nov 8 #26
Thanks. But I will form... littlemissmartypants Nov 8 #27
Having grace toward those who have none is not an easy task. madaboutharry Nov 8 #29
love it Skittles Nov 8 #30
Truth, but I want accountabilty for what Orange Julius has been charged with in 4 legal venues. Evolve Dammit Nov 8 #31
Kareem stated the situation we're in with class oasis Nov 8 #32
This guy is so wise and such an excellent writer. Pinback Nov 8 #35
Naive is an understatement. choie Nov 8 #37
What did you think of the other five paragraphs in the piece? (nt) Pinback Nov 8 #44
It was very well written. But, I''m not in the frame of mind choie Nov 8 #45
Understood. We all have a lot of rage right now, Pinback Nov 8 #50
Except we're not better than this election choie Nov 8 #36
Fooled me too malaise Nov 8 #39
There is a woman who lives across the street from me... stillcool Nov 8 #41
You're Better Than I Am SoCalDavidS Nov 8 #49
I don't know what's in her heart... stillcool Nov 8 #53
It is possible to remain civil while being curt misanthrope Nov 9 #57
Ignoring Someone Is Not Starting Something Acrimonious SoCalDavidS Nov 9 #58
Fuck some grace, Kareem. That ran out in 2000. TheKentuckian Nov 8 #42
Can you offer forgiveness choie Nov 8 #46
Me either. TheKentuckian Nov 8 #47
Amen Coexist Nov 8 #43
Brilliant ThePartyThatListens Nov 8 #48
Thank you Kareem, I agree with your assessment, with the exception of ASSUMING they are "misguided". I cannot go that JohnSJ Nov 8 #51
I respect his ideas, but he is giving the assholes and delusional morons Hassler Nov 9 #54
"They made a mistake, like a child sticking its finger in an electrical socket." Montauk6 Nov 9 #55
He keeps on saying the "next four years" Jarqui Nov 9 #59
The consequences of another Trump presidency will have a much greater influence on those who voted for him... Martin Eden Nov 9 #61
Lady Liberty may soon utter "forgive them; for they know not what they do" andym Nov 9 #64
Good man hootman Nov 9 #65
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