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117. I don't know why/how Harris lost

Fri Nov 8, 2024, 04:36 PM

Nov 8

I honestly cannot fathom how or why Kamala - and the whole Democratic slate - lost. Kamala's campaign was almost letter perfect; certainly more well conducted than previous winners'. If someone told me that Trump managed to steal the election and falsify the results, or that Trump hyponitized the whole electorate, I might believe them. But the fact is Trump actually won in an election (not the campaign, but the vote count) that was clean and honest.

All my political notions are shattered. But here is a cruel fact: For the next four years Trump will have his way. We can protest but, let's face it, he has a mandate (and if it wasn't overwhelming it was enough to give him the House and the Senate, which is plenty enough). Things may be very rough and the damage that Trump can do in four years might not be fully repaired in my lifetime. Gee, I wish I could say something encouraging.

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Tomasky: Why Does No One Understand the Real Reason Trump Won? [View all] Nevilledog Nov 8 OP

I have literally been saying this for 12 fucking years now! Initech Nov 8 #1

Me too, but up until Tuesday, I still believed we could overcome it William Seger Nov 8 #10

Nope. It's too strong. Initech Nov 8 #20

Well, expecting it would collapse under its own dishonesty sure didn't work William Seger Nov 8 #26

I thought the bubble would be bursting with this election, but it didn't. Initech Nov 8 #48

Oh yes, bdamomma Nov 9 #169

Nope. It's time to burst that bubble by force if necessary. Initech Nov 8 #133

I don't know why/how Harris lost Shoonra Nov 8 #117

RACISM AND SEXISM PUT THE CONVICTED FELON BACK IN OFFICE... Jon Waters Nov 8 #132

The election was neither clean nor honest dickthegrouch Nov 8 #140

Because she's a black woman. Meadowoak Nov 9 #160

Trump didn't win. The Democrats lost OrangeJoe Nov 8 #136

Willful ignorance combined with pervasive propaganda. CaptainTruth Nov 8 #21

And they have a decades long lead in building their echo chamber, Tadpole Raisin Nov 8 #28

What the average Fox News viewer believes: Different Drummer Nov 8 #58

lol, Bullwinkle would be a far better president along with his friend Rocky. Tadpole Raisin Nov 8 #63

It's so beyond Fox at this point. Hassin Bin Sober Nov 8 #64

That, and they haven't "suffered" enough yet to just begin to pay attention. Justice matters. Nov 8 #91

There is no "doubt" about it. AZ8theist Nov 9 #156

Dig deeper... Scully Nov 8 #69

Maybe ... but it could just be a symbiotic relationship. I'm KPN Nov 8 #113

This whole thing is beign run by Putin MadameButterfly Nov 9 #150

As some may have noticed... pat_k Nov 8 #76

Exactly what happened in my family. marybourg Nov 8 #121

It happened so fast. pat_k Nov 8 #129

Longer than that! luvallpeeps Nov 8 #139

Way back to the Clinton years. Autumn Nov 9 #171

I've been saying this since 1984. FDRFTW Nov 9 #152

Me too. Here's a genius solution to the silos: The Tangle newsletter. This American Life had a great segment on Sat mahina Nov 9 #154

Hillary said it first, a vast rw conspiracy.... Pepsidog Nov 9 #175

Some of the propaganda supplied by Russia and China. Irish_Dem Nov 8 #2

I just read the same article on the New Republic site jayschool2013 Nov 8 #3

I think that's definitely A real reason, not THE real reason -- no such thing William Seger Nov 8 #22

Fox News pushed the immigrant crisis story 24/7 Yavin4 Nov 8 #4

We lost this in 1988 when Reagan eliminated The Fairness Doctrine. nt Tommymac Nov 8 #5

That's not really true moose65 Nov 8 #35

Yes. It's this. yardwork Nov 8 #6

On Black men, I have to push back. Black voters voted for trump the same as in 2020, 12 percent. brush Nov 8 #46

You're right. yardwork Nov 8 #86

Looking at an NBC exit poll Rstrstx Nov 8 #90

Ahhhh...those numbers don't add up. See post 65. brush Nov 8 #110

The exit poll is here Rstrstx Nov 8 #111

See post 65 for what WAPO found. brush Nov 8 #112

Do you mean post 86? nmmi Nov 9 #155

Ah, but white women voted for and won body autonomy in several states and then Jit423 Nov 8 #143

Nonvoters are deadly to us DFW Nov 9 #157

And social media. Disaffected Nov 8 #7

Yep, the column in the OP misanthrope Nov 8 #49

Honestly, I think if I could pinpoint American society's downfall in one single event... Initech Nov 8 #51

A lot of folks here on DU don't know what Gamergate is, or how it came about FakeNoose Nov 8 #73

All the same players, all the same methods AZSkiffyGeek Nov 8 #79

It's time for some edumacation! Initech Nov 8 #89

Rush Limbaugh destroyed my workplace. The men became domineering and loved humiliating female coworkers. SharonAnn Nov 8 #101

How about the fact that Americans are mean and spiteful when given the chance to be world wide wally Nov 8 #8

How 'bout the fact of that being way too broad a brush? whathehell Nov 8 #34

I wholeheartedly agree. Srkdqltr Nov 8 #47

The sane-washing of an insane criminal Blue Owl Nov 8 #9

He's everything they wish they were. Ligyron Nov 8 #144

Expecting markodochartaigh Nov 8 #11

Evidently there's far more chaff than wheat in those depleted fields BattleRow Nov 8 #16

Right on target. kentuck Nov 8 #12

So true moose65 Nov 8 #36

One of the reasons I am so pessimistic about American voters/society is that RockRaven Nov 8 #13

Media doesn't have the list of ingredients on the label as most "consumables" are required to. BattleRow Nov 8 #19

Hold on there misanthrope Nov 8 #50

Why bother when cats and dogs will be the consumables BattleRow Nov 8 #118

Biden beat trump in 2020 with the same environment/political facts mentioned... brush Nov 8 #14

I want to know what that "little secret" was - AND IS. calimary Nov 8 #42

Because my friend, E. Normus Nov 8 #61

As much as I don't want to hear this it's true. mountain grammy Nov 8 #104

THIS SunSeeker Nov 8 #105

Well, the "gotta be a man" thing probably does explain it. calimary Nov 8 #123

With some of those women DemonGoddess Nov 8 #130

this bcbink Nov 8 #125

That I don't believe. Hillary was ahead in the polls until that damn Comey sent his letter to Congress. brush Nov 9 #149

"Harris' pimps" was said at the Madison Square Garden rally AdamGG Nov 9 #148

The right wing media empire is too big and too dangerous Mr. Sparkle Nov 8 #15

Hate radio h2ebits Nov 8 #54

Nope, news has been replaced by opinion. Initech Nov 8 #142

Any suggestions how to overcome the messaging of the next four years? ancianita Nov 8 #17

Wealthy Dems need to start creating and/or buying media outlets and grow them fast! Clouds Passing Nov 8 #23

Hopeful that you're right and that they could overcome. But why should they invest in counter messaging? ancianita Nov 8 #38

Thank you for your hope. I have been losing mine. Clouds Passing Nov 8 #135

I hear you. But the oligarchy shit pit is where we are. We have to do something, even depend on our military if need be. ancianita Nov 8 #138

Yes! hadEnuf Nov 8 #62

About 5% of the adult population watches Fox News Kaleva Nov 8 #18

The whole political landscape has changed since Fox news. hadEnuf Nov 8 #59

If one looks at the numbers given by the ratings Kaleva Nov 8 #115

Fox News, Newsmax, OANN, Sinclair's radio, TV, and newspapers, iHeart, Bot (Xtian radio), X, Rogan, etc Mersky Nov 8 #65

So what is the percentage that watch or listen to all the sources listed? Kaleva Nov 8 #114

MAGATS live in a complete media ecosystem spinning a fantasy land narrative in which dictators are good guys. FDRFTW Nov 9 #153

And I wonder about those who rely on sources like Ok occupy Democrats.. Kaleva Nov 9 #158

While this was a massive "in-kind" contribution... orwell Nov 8 #24

" The message wouldn't work if people were happy with their lives. THEY ARE NOT! " HUAJIAO Nov 8 #41

Corporate media has now failed to adequately cover Trump for three straight presidential campaigns. sop Nov 8 #25

Basically cilla4progress Nov 8 #27

The media that we watch and listen to.... kentuck Nov 8 #29

I totally agree. I watched my parents succumb to Fox News brainwashing. They were decent, progressive, intelligent Martin68 Nov 8 #30

Now you've given me another factor to think about. TBF Nov 8 #33

My parents grew up during the Depression and came of age during WWII. They were liberals while I was growing up, but Martin68 Nov 8 #107

I've thought on this since I read Earl's OP yesterday - I think it goes a little deeper TBF Nov 8 #31

i know some dislike msg that are just yup so let me say HELL TO THE FUCKING YES AmandaRuth Nov 8 #32

NBC, CBS. and ABC did it too don't let them off... Ysabel Nov 8 #37

Yup! Beat me to it. GoCubsGo Nov 8 #67

We need our own media ecosystem, and we need to *support* it. keep_left Nov 8 #39

Start by not losing what we already have DeeNice Nov 8 #88

I agree completely. And nearly all of the progressive radio stations... keep_left Nov 8 #103

100%! Grumpy Old Guy Nov 8 #40

I couldn't disagree more. snot Nov 8 #43

Dr. Maslow, I presume? GJGCA Nov 8 #78

+1 leftstreet Nov 8 #81

Its also social media outlets that post never ending personal smears and falsehoods indigovalley Nov 8 #44

plenty of free propaganda southmost Nov 8 #45

Once they killed liberal talk radio...nuf said MiHale Nov 8 #52

Nope. Consumers of such propaganda were lacking harumph Nov 8 #53

Blaming the voters Cirsium Nov 8 #71

No it's not. It's the truth. nt. druidity33 Nov 8 #134

Now the question is what do they really want to gain from this? Klarkashton Nov 8 #55

Lack of accountability Envirogal Nov 8 #106

100% Joe Cool Nov 8 #56

It's still a fact that a majority of voters were comfortable with his outrageous behavior PlanetBev Nov 8 #57

Rich liberals need DownriverDem Nov 8 #60

Exactly. highplainsdem Nov 8 #66

Propaganda works and they have an enormous disinformation network. Basso8vb Nov 8 #68

We actually have lousy media companies all owned by billionares... Historic NY Nov 8 #70

The biggest liar Andy823 Nov 8 #72

knr n/t markie Nov 8 #74

HUGE REC. progressoid Nov 8 #75

The next question after this is why do people prefer the propaganda? patphil Nov 8 #77

Exactly. No matter what we do if those right wing outlets are not destroyed oldmanlynn Nov 8 #80

He is not wrong. valleyrogue Nov 8 #82

Worse yet: Hieronymus Phact Nov 8 #83

It's more media than right wing media. Trust_Reality Nov 8 #84

"Why didn't a majority of voters see these things?" LudwigPastorius Nov 8 #85

Thank you .. exactly what I've been saying. ificandream Nov 8 #87

The roots of hate and bigotry run deep. BarbD Nov 8 #92

I think most people don't see any of media sources. onenote Nov 8 #93

They get some stuff by osmosis though on social media. Elessar Zappa Nov 9 #172

Oh, and by the way, water is wet. ECL213 Nov 8 #94

My daughter's mother in law watches end-time LeftInTX Nov 8 #95

Why does no one understand that there's more than one reason? Lulu KC Nov 8 #96

Thank you -- 100% agree. Pinback Nov 8 #108

Exactly. TwilightZone Nov 9 #164

Trumps oral mic story should have been the headlines for days. joshcryer Nov 8 #97

Yep. That was the invisible ReRe Nov 8 #98

"Mainstream" corporate media deserves a good part of the blame, sane washing, non endorsements of Harris, diane in sf Nov 8 #99

He's partly right; it's true that very little penetrates the right-wing media silo - BUT Ocelot II Nov 8 #100

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 8 #102

And the MSM meekly responded if at all. In fact, KPN Nov 8 #109

Propaganda hurts not only by lying and deceit but also Stargleamer Nov 8 #116

They DO know...They don't care. Cretins are just as sick as he is. /nt aka-chmeee Nov 8 #119

They heard exactly what they * wanted * to hear Six117 Nov 8 #120

We have to find a way to counter this hateful mess. mzmolly Nov 8 #122

I still say vote tampering 4catsmom Nov 8 #124

Dems should get off Fox News and Twitter PedroXimenez Nov 8 #126

"The answer is the right-wing media." 👈🏾👈🏾👈🏾 uponit7771 Nov 8 #127

"do something about it" - gee, thanks, Tomasky, that's a great help. muriel_volestrangler Nov 8 #128

THIS Martin Eden Nov 8 #131

They need to destroy the country for people to see it. Turbineguy Nov 8 #137

The media went easy on him and was tough on her liberal N proud Nov 8 #141

Really? MSNBC Was Pretty Harsh, Are They Not Media? TomCADem Nov 9 #146

People see what they want to see. TwilightZone Nov 9 #166

Exactly. These broad brush attacks that treat News Max... TomCADem Nov 9 #178

That's a major part of it angryxyouth Nov 9 #145

Why do they want us all at the mercy of a malignant narcissist? SleeplessinSoCal Nov 9 #147

the billionaires control the message. It's Putin's press now. FDRFTW Nov 9 #151

As a retired educator, it pains me to say this ... Straw Man Nov 9 #159

As for the worst things he's said, I was told "Oh he doesnt really MEAN it" oldsoftie Nov 9 #161

Right wing media + racism, mysoginy, failed or programmed education, lack of critical thinking, failure to grow the f up Attilatheblond Nov 9 #162

EXACTLY! Thom Hartman echoed this truth last week. It's a trillion-dollar marketing campaign to destroy democracy LaMouffette Nov 9 #163

Right wing media vilified liberals and Democrats to the extent that onlyadream Nov 9 #165

Abortion Was A Losing Issue For Harris DallasNE Nov 9 #167

I wholeheartedly agree MaineBlueBear Nov 9 #168

Why do people choose these? residentcynic Nov 9 #170

Nope. Littlered Nov 9 #173

"slanted and distorted information"... kentuck Nov 9 #174

KnRnBk Hekate Nov 9 #176

RIGHT WING SPANISH LANGUAGE RADIO MomInTheCrowd Nov 9 #177