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Cirsium

(1,730 posts)
140. Sound reasons?
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 05:03 PM
Nov 2024

Good post. I will make one point, with your kind indulgence. I do not mean it to be a criticism of your post in any way.

There are never any legitimate reasons to purge voter rolls. A person dies? So what? Zombies don't vote. A person moves? So what? Do we really imagine that people are running around voting in more than one location at all, let alone in any kind of numbers that would affect the outcome of an election without getting noticed? People are criminals? So what? People are sentenced in a court of law for any crimes for which they are convicted. Punishing them again by denying them their right to vote is not legitimate. People are undocumented immigrants? That is not happening and is extremely unlikely to ever happen, and again most certainly not in any kind of numbers that would affect the outcome of an election without it getting noticed.

Yes, I have seen your posts about voter suppression. Much appreciated. Thank you.

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Recommended Ponietz Nov 2024 #1
Totally agree. But I expect more theories of how Musk changed votes all over America, or something. Silent Type Nov 2024 #2
I am equally amazed more people aren't asking some hard questions. Irish_Dem Nov 2024 #3
Probably the same people who gab13by13 Nov 2024 #24
I missed that in 2004 ... Blue_Roses Nov 2024 #45
Pretty long story gab13by13 Nov 2024 #54
Ohhhhh... Blue_Roses Nov 2024 #103
Sadly he died - more like, suspiciously he died in a small plane crash biophile Nov 2024 #203
some states do... stillcool Nov 2024 #87
Our machines are publicly tested before election yellowdogintexas Nov 2024 #178
Questions are easy. Evidence is hard. I haven't seen evidence. . . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2024 #77
Evidence SomedayKindaLove Nov 2024 #141
Exactly. Which is why it is kind of shameful when people convince themselves of a conspiracy without evidence. . . . .nt Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2024 #150
I don't think it's shameful SomedayKindaLove Nov 2024 #152
Good points. It may be natural briefly, but it really is important to distinguish between imagination and facts Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2024 #180
Well stated! nt LAS14 Nov 2024 #194
Yup! Kid Berwyn Nov 2024 #145
Absolutely! SheltieLover Nov 2024 #201
I utilize DeepWinter Nov 2024 #4
He's not my president never will be Dem4life1234 Nov 2024 #157
The alternative is admitting they've been bamboozled by hype merchants. RockRaven Nov 2024 #5
We aren't as immune to hype and propaganda as we think we are. orange jar Nov 2024 #17
How is Meidas Touch damaging? bikes and bunnies Nov 2024 #84
I agree BonnieJW Nov 2024 #108
The hyperbole, for starters. orange jar Nov 2024 #148
yep, those clickbait titles The Wandering Harper Nov 2024 #181
"We" live love laugh Nov 2024 #139
Well it wouldn't be for want of trying. SleeplessinSoCal Nov 2024 #6
I'm amazed that you are so quick to swat away the possibility when Trumps own daughter OWNS voting machine trademarks live love laugh Nov 2024 #7
What? Blue_Roses Nov 2024 #50
I have always wondered WHY we don't receive a receipt when we vote..or at least a verification by email or text or even BattleRow Nov 2024 #52
That was discussed here after the theft of 2000. I learned live love laugh Nov 2024 #91
Receipts would not be valid for counting but would be useful for auditing. HelpImSurrounded Nov 2024 #109
Receipts would have to be validated first because they may be inaccurate. live love laugh Nov 2024 #111
As I said. Not for counting but useful for auditing HelpImSurrounded Nov 2024 #114
I have said for years ,hey you can't buy a stick of gum without a receipt, BattleRow Nov 2024 #138
I thank you for this info.2000 was a year in hell for me,so it's possible I totally missed it. BattleRow Nov 2024 #137
Just a suggestion bdamomma Nov 2024 #124
If it was one state, I could buy the possibility. Self Esteem Nov 2024 #151
OK, so you see proof and so now you're trying to minimize to one state. live love laugh Nov 2024 #155
I don't see any proof. Self Esteem Nov 2024 #158
LOL so NO proof but you try to minimize the impact to one state. live love laugh Nov 2024 #164
I am more amazed by the number of people who think they wouldn't. travelingthrulife Nov 2024 #8
What makes you an expert on how easy it is to manipulate votes? live love laugh Nov 2024 #9
A number of persuasive stories on (deep breath!!!) Main Stream Media! nt LAS14 Nov 2024 #19
Hilarious that you trust the same media that routinely trashes Democrats. live love laugh Nov 2024 #47
they want an explanation for the 15 million who didnt vote Mr. Sparkle Nov 2024 #10
In Pennsylvania, more voted in 2024 than in 2020. John1956PA Nov 2024 #23
When the final numbers are in, the number of votes in PA likely will be up by around 60K, well less than 1 % onenote Nov 2024 #187
There is no explanation Zeitghost Nov 2024 #49
Hmmmm? Despite the massive door knocking/canvassing effort of the Harris campaign... brush Nov 2024 #73
Thats the way it looks with the uncounted votes left Zeitghost Nov 2024 #104
IMO that seems doubtful because of all the increased canvassing. Something seem fishy. brush Nov 2024 #107
What evidence do we have Zeitghost Nov 2024 #126
Are you serious? Busloads of canvassers from NY road to PA to canvass. brush Nov 2024 #129
I've worked campaigns and am well aware Zeitghost Nov 2024 #130
Goddamned right its fishy DiverDave Nov 2024 #154
Its highly likely those 3 million votes, or whatever the total turns out to be DetroitLegalBeagle Nov 2024 #132
Harris is still 11 million down from Biden in 2020 soandso Nov 2024 #169
+1 onenote Nov 2024 #186
Maybe you should wait until all the votes are counted before going tin foil? onenote Nov 2024 #185
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Nov 2024 #217
Shoulda been here 2004 Prairie Gates Nov 2024 #11
In 2004 it happened in Ohio and Kerry has acknowledged it. milestogo Nov 2024 #15
I tend to believe the Blackbox Voting Conspiracy Theory regarding Ohio the 2004 Ohio vote. John1956PA Nov 2024 #32
People died because of it....... Hope22 Nov 2024 #48
The programmer who engineered gab13by13 Nov 2024 #57
I remember that,now that u mention it BattleRow Nov 2024 #62
That was such a crazy time! Hope22 Nov 2024 #74
I remember that. I think his name was something like McConnel. n/t John1956PA Nov 2024 #93
Kerry has acknowledged it? That's the first I've ever heard that! -nt CrispyQ Nov 2024 #85
Yes, he did. milestogo Nov 2024 #89
We had reason. Jamastiene Nov 2024 #25
They cheated in 2000 hannah Nov 2024 #72
Yes the 'Brooks brothers' Hope22 Nov 2024 #78
I remember that. Jamastiene Nov 2024 #143
I did not say it didn't happen. Jamastiene Nov 2024 #144
I remember that Babajida Nov 2024 #200
I recall the comments post election 2016 sarisataka Nov 2024 #12
Yeah, wasn't there a whole forum devoted to election conspiracies at one time? Dr. Strange Nov 2024 #18
Way before Election Day TSF said the election would be rigged. Hope22 Nov 2024 #86
If there was evidence, I would be on board sarisataka Nov 2024 #95
I'm not concerned if you are on board or not! Hope22 Nov 2024 #110
If we were in World War Z, sarisataka Nov 2024 #112
I'm amazed by your short memory and naivete. milestogo Nov 2024 #13
Election fraud is a lazy answer to a complex question Fiendish Thingy Nov 2024 #14
+1 onenote Nov 2024 #188
I will go as far to say... kentuck Nov 2024 #16
THIS is an absolute fact kwolf68 Nov 2024 #29
There are Democratic governors in Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania tritsofme Nov 2024 #97
They couldn't control the Republican space lasers that changed votes. onenote Nov 2024 #189
Agree 100%. It's embarassing. We are supposed to be the smart ones. beaglelover Nov 2024 #20
Denial is the first stage of grief. TomSlick Nov 2024 #21
Also when you realize you've been conned. BattleRow Nov 2024 #60
President Biden said the election was honest, fair, & transparent. TomSlick Nov 2024 #161
I was referring to GOP acolytes and not so light,heavy weights. BattleRow Nov 2024 #165
Sorry. I'm not tracking. TomSlick Nov 2024 #166
We all have opinions BattleRow Nov 2024 #176
Agree BannonsLiver Nov 2024 #22
I am not going to argue about the possibility gab13by13 Nov 2024 #26
Thank You For Your Continued Contributions SoCalDavidS Nov 2024 #30
90+ for me. dchill Nov 2024 #67
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Nov 2024 #216
You actually think trump won every swing state despite the massive canvassing effort... brush Nov 2024 #27
Not to mention every accusation is an admission, a projection. intheflow Nov 2024 #53
I Will Repeat What Others Have Said On This Thread SoCalDavidS Nov 2024 #28
Yeah Queens moved 21 points to trump because of stolen votes. Fucking eyeroll. mathematic Nov 2024 #31
me too. but i also understand. who wants to believe it wasn't rigged? Native Nov 2024 #33
Thank you. snot Nov 2024 #34
I started out in college as a "black hat" cyber hacker lapfog_1 Nov 2024 #35
With the resources and time required, you don't think this would be spotted before completion? LAS14 Nov 2024 #41
nope lapfog_1 Nov 2024 #46
BEST FUCKING POST orangecrush Nov 2024 #71
You have to physically manipulate each machine LeftInTX Nov 2024 #121
reread what I posted lapfog_1 Nov 2024 #162
We have about 5,000 voting machines in our county LeftInTX Nov 2024 #163
and how many different operating systems run on those machines lapfog_1 Nov 2024 #170
You know this is the GOP CT. I have sit with both teams LeftInTX Nov 2024 #171
I have worked at very secure sites lapfog_1 Nov 2024 #172
Vanesa Guillen's family voted for Trump LeftInTX Nov 2024 #173
Add to that ... relayerbob Nov 2024 #131
Thank you. Jamastiene Nov 2024 #146
With all your experience, and cred have you contacted gov't officials? Your Reps, or Senators IF they're Democrats, or. electric_blue68 Nov 2024 #207
I prefer the older SciFi lapfog_1 Nov 2024 #208
I've heard of him, and those books. It's a TV show, not a book... electric_blue68 Nov 2024 #209
I sold my sister's wine collection back in 1989 lapfog_1 Nov 2024 #210
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Nov 2024 #213
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Nov 2024 #215
I'm not. Mosby Nov 2024 #36
I don't think it is wise to discount even the possibility. kentuck Nov 2024 #37
Donald Trump would never cheat. Blue Owl Nov 2024 #38
Could be a factor - but it wouldn't be enough to explain it all TBF Nov 2024 #39
Totally agree! kellytore Nov 2024 #40
Of course they gamed the system Metaphorical Nov 2024 #42
"Dominion owned by Republicans"? Evidence of that? Lay it out right here. Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2024 #80
Still waiting for evidence on your main (first) point. This might help you Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2024 #199
THEY STOLE IT johnnyfins Nov 2024 #43
SHOUTING doesn't make it more true. Hope it makes you feel better even when there is NO evidence. . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2024 #75
Holy projection, Batman! tritsofme Nov 2024 #101
How did "they" steal it SCantiGOP Nov 2024 #197
It's a state of denial, pure and simple. Denial is why led a lot of MAGAts to believe the lasts election was stolen. Martin68 Nov 2024 #44
Putin has learned a lot in 4 yrs. Xoan Nov 2024 #51
Vast Right Wing Conspiracy Blue Full Moon Nov 2024 #55
And yet, markodochartaigh Nov 2024 #64
More than trashing Blue Full Moon Nov 2024 #106
Many Call DU an Echo Chamber. ruet Nov 2024 #56
Name calling won't make troublesome things disappear. 🫠 live love laugh Nov 2024 #117
It is not necessarily a conspiracy theory but the numbers give rise to some critical thinking. Jit423 Nov 2024 #58
All during early voting, the Republican area LeftInTX Nov 2024 #127
I'm a little amazed at those who, because of whathehell Nov 2024 #59
more important.. it wouldnt be worth it going southmost Nov 2024 #61
If there are states that were in play with many many ballots marked all Dems and one red X for TSF Hope22 Nov 2024 #63
Magats are adding insult to injury gab13by13 Nov 2024 #65
I think that it is unlikely that this election was stolen. markodochartaigh Nov 2024 #66
This is precisely why they did it all that time. BlueTsunami2018 Nov 2024 #68
Maybe it's all the voter suppression laws orangecrush Nov 2024 #69
I'm not surprised. LudwigPastorius Nov 2024 #70
It was our story before they borrowed it. Ms. Toad Nov 2024 #76
The real question is LilElf70 Nov 2024 #79
Really? Cirsium Nov 2024 #81
Exactly. It may B.See Nov 2024 #92
Sound reasons? Cirsium Nov 2024 #140
jeeze, I guess cyber-security isn't really a thing? stillcool Nov 2024 #82
Ahh, so you are of the viewpoint that the voting tabulator totaled should not be verified against the paper ballots? LiberalArkie Nov 2024 #83
So recounts are just for Republicans? Sorry, but there's something sketchy about this election when Vinca Nov 2024 #88
Truly, I think most of it is we live with a bunch of $hitty AllyCat Nov 2024 #90
They bought his late campaign rhetoric about let the states do it. He had a big advantage... LAS14 Nov 2024 #136
Mushy Thinking North Coast Lawyer Nov 2024 #94
That is so, so true! I've struggled around trying to describe... LAS14 Nov 2024 #135
I agree, but it easier to accept that TNNurse Nov 2024 #96
Agree. Elessar Zappa Nov 2024 #98
Thanks for this! I forgot about "no kooky content" as a forum rule. nt LAS14 Nov 2024 #134
It won't do any good - Harris, etc already conceded. Our time needs to be better spent. kerry-is-my-prez Nov 2024 #99
Thank you. William769 Nov 2024 #100
I admit, the numbers seem out of whack to me. Bitbit Nov 2024 #102
I look at a state like N. Carolina gab13by13 Nov 2024 #105
Well they did. That's why Orangehead said he had all the votes he needed, won't have to vote after this... MaeScott Nov 2024 #113
Moscow Mitch is one of the most reprehensible oasis Nov 2024 #122
Denial is more than just a river in Egypt. n/t malthaussen Nov 2024 #115
Do I think there was shady/illegal influence of voters' opinions... RevBrotherThomas Nov 2024 #116
I could not agree more. beemerphill Nov 2024 #118
Well stated. nt LAS14 Nov 2024 #133
Well, we are free to think what we want Ferrets are Cool Nov 2024 #119
Bbbbbbuuuttttt she had so many lawyers... marcopolo63 Nov 2024 #120
They were announcing the wins with millions of votes still uncounted, pnwmom Nov 2024 #123
I don't know why what happened happened but I am amazed malaise Nov 2024 #125
So true. Jamastiene Nov 2024 #147
Precisely malaise Nov 2024 #149
I think they tried in 2020 but underestimated the numbers Blue Owl Nov 2024 #128
I do remember that in 2020. Yes Biden won. But there were still weird areas where Trump way overperformed that does not SweetieD Nov 2024 #177
They perfected the steal this time around. live love laugh Nov 2024 #205
Yet we threw a fit about hand counting the number of ballots, without regard to vote tabulation. Silent Type Nov 2024 #142
You missed the bomb threats at blue swing precincts? IbogaProject Nov 2024 #153
I don't see that ending up throwing the election. Do you really? Really?? nt LAS14 Nov 2024 #168
I will not write it off Dem4life1234 Nov 2024 #156
Yes our resident right wingers are certainly having a lot of fun with all this. tenderfoot Nov 2024 #159
What's good for the goose ... sleroy49 Nov 2024 #160
Zero % chance Trump would gain in blue and red safe states if it was stolen. Quixote1818 Nov 2024 #167
Sorry but you obviously dont garybeck Nov 2024 #174
As I understand it, none of these machines are connected to the internet. Sure, you can... LAS14 Nov 2024 #193
valid question. here is your answer garybeck Nov 2024 #211
Heres a really interesting conclusion by this 2005 commission. LAS14 Nov 2024 #212
I believe there was massive fraud. Just based on what Trump and his SweetieD Nov 2024 #175
I hadn't heard that thing about Rogan obamanut2012 Nov 2024 #183
I get worried about conspiratorial thinking gemini_liberal Nov 2024 #179
Exactly berksdem Nov 2024 #182
I'm amazed a people who apparently dismiss the repeated warnings before the election bigtree Nov 2024 #184
It is disturbing. I hope it's temporary. I'm focused on what actions Iris Nov 2024 #190
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2024 #191
And now you're choosing to believe something he says? nt LAS14 Nov 2024 #195
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2024 #192
Let's hear it, then, for Trump's election deniers... Sarcasm nt LAS14 Nov 2024 #196
i'd like to know why Slotkin, Baldwin, Rosen, Gallego, and Stein won onenote Nov 2024 #198
The target is the presidency. The down ballot results are a tell. live love laugh Nov 2024 #206
it was either jewish space lasers yaesu Nov 2024 #202
MANIPULATING THE VOTE CROW50 Nov 2024 #204
Entirely incorrect FBaggins Nov 2024 #214
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